Carrying on the job

View · by **Mn01r6** on Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:43 am

Just request to view your entire personnel file, as is your right under mn law. Ask for corrections to anything that is inaccurate.

View · by **20mm** on Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:38 pm

azonesolutions wrote:Your wife can always find a new husband. Your kids can always find a new dad. And when you are murdered, the company president will be able to comfort your family with the knowledge that you were were unarmed in compliance with the corporate policy.

I'd follow the company policies. If you die at least you'll know you were obeying all the rules and being a good employee.

Your wife will probably grieve for a while and have a hard time eating. She'll probably loose a few pounds and work out more to deal with her depression. Then she'll meet someone new and spend some insurance money from your death on a romantic vacation with the new hubby/boyfriend. You can sleep soundly in your grave knowing you helped your grieving widow get over your tragic fate and live a healthier life.

View · by **Rodentman** on Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:11 pm

My personnel file is simply a monument to their stupidity. I won't be there much longer anyway.

View · by **bensdad** on Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:14 pm

Rodentman wrote:My personnel file is simply a monument to their stupidity. I won't be there much longer anyway.

Clearly a cry for help... or an ominous warning. Either way, somebody call HR. :lol:

View · by **mzdadoc** on Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:58 pm

You guys kill me!!!! I know my replacement will get my custom Streetglide and my beautiful wife I've excepted that!!!! Lol I won't go down without a fight but armed or not I stay aware and always keep in mind my God given right to "Fight or flight"
I had a supervisor who hated the fact that I make more money than he does. My co acquired his co. He made me pay for it in my reviews and my lower yearly raises. I was in touch with HR so much I almost started calling her my wife. I don't now nor will I ever trust a HR dept. I'm going to read my Policies and Procedures tonight.

View · by **Rodentman** on Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:21 pm

I have a relative who just got a Ph D in HR and teaches at a local college. I wonder what her doctoral dissertation was about. Talk about an manufactured pursuit. Almost as fabricated as "Women's Studies."

I don't talk to HR. I have a target retirement date in mind and it's not that far away. If I can lay off buying firearms for a couple of years...

View · by **mzdadoc** on Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:42 pm

What I found out in my co procedures so far...... Not happy!

View · by **andrewP** on Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:05 pm

Sucks, but at least now you know. Also, the fact that there is at least an approval process for exemptions is better than a lot of people have. Sure, it's probably hard to get an exemption, but at least it's *possible* for you.

View · by **CraigJS** on Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:14 pm

Don't tell them it's in your car. Don't allow your car to be searched. Don't tell others you work with it's in your car. Period!

View · by **mzdadoc** on Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:19 pm

Now I have to find the right person who knows who these people are...... Ugh

View · by **unit44justin** on Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:36 pm

I wouldn't be too bummed about that. You at least have a company that shows they are at least open to the idea. Most companies say no firearms what so ever and don't give you the option to even send in a request.

View · by **mzdadoc** on Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:57 pm

I spoke to HR today about submitting my request for an exception to allow me to carry in my car. Turns out it would probably fly for to and from shooting functions but not to carry for protection.

View · by **XDM45** on Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:32 pm

mzdadoc wrote:What I found out in my co procedures so far...... Not happy!

You cannot show them a "weapons permit" or a "concealed weapons permit" as neither exist in Minnesota. We DO have a "PERMIT TO CARRY A PISTOL"** however, but that isn't listed in their policy document. Stickler for details? Yup. Why? Because it matters. If a law is made that bans "clips" and they really mean "magazines", then magazines won't be banned, but clips will. This also shows their complete negligence of the MPPA of 2003. I'm not a lawyer, but to me, that document doesn't have any legal standing. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but state law may supersede company policy in this case. Contact Marc Berris for legal advice on this matter.

** = I was not "shouting" on the Internet using all caps, I was being precise since that is exactly the way it's printed on my permit.

View · by **JTapper** on Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:52 pm

As long as MN is an at-will employment state, it doesn't really matter, does it?

I'm prohibited from carrying at work. Whether or not I ever have isn't for discussion here, but I have and am allowed to store in my car on company property.

View · by **XDM45** on Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:48 am

JTapper wrote:As long as MN is an at-will employment state, it doesn't really matter, does it?

Then why have an accurate company policy or even a company policy at all? If a company can say "Your shoes suck. You're fired!!: (which they can in an "At Will" state such as Minnesota), why even bother with rules and policies? My guess is to protect themselves legally; so therefore logic would dictate that any such document(s), such as those found in a company policy, should be accurate and legally correct, right? I'm not a lawyer, but I think that this could be contested because Minnesota doesn't have a "weapons permit" or a "concealed weapons permit" as noted in that incorrect document.

Also, details matter as does correctness. "AR" isn't "Assault Rifle", it's "Armalite". It's not a "clip" when it's a "magazine", there's no such thing as "gun violence" - only violence committed by people who may choose to use a gun as a tool to carry out that violence. Semantics? Perhaps. That could be debated, but my point is accuracy and legality. Anything else is sloppy.