Glock 42

[ttousi]

Shot mine today........agree with randygmn.......accurate and a pleasure to shoot.........recoil to me was negligible.

Just need to put more rounds downrange before carrying it.

[jp8775]

No: So just because it a .380 its a direct competitor? LCP is in the mouse gun category I have never seen a 42 called a mouse gun.

Ok. I am going to try one last time. What would you find it comparable to? Last I recall you were comparing it to larger caliber alternatives. Let's say apples to apples here. Teach me something. Don't tell me how it's better than the LCP then say it isn't fair to compare them.

It is going to replace my diamond back DB9 and DB380, I see no need to carry them any more with this reliable gun around my office. I also carried a Kel Tech PF9 sometimes, see no reason to do that anymore either. My wife is only undecided as she has carried the PPK for so long, (I have been there its like a n old friend) but she will turn to the Glock after the next time or so she shoots it again. Now comparing it to any gun its size, not necessarily weight as many people like weight for added comfort shooting. Any plastic Kahr in the same size and plastic frame would be a candidate for comparison but more money as will be most of the reliable guns in this category. That is where I think ultimately the 42 will win out at $399 list at least at Bill hicks this is going to be attractive to guys like me who care more about jams. The Glock is not a mouse gun, I know no one who would want to get into a shoot out with a mouse gun if they had a choice. Some people buy guns with no regrets they have money and its just a toy. They also can have a collection of guns to chose from each day. Some people put their last dime on the one gun after they get their permit. I have talked to such people who have been coached into the LCP. After they sent it back twice for various problems (not being able to carry as its their only gun while it being repaired) when they get it back it still is unreliable and they say it is no fun to shoot. I have shot one many times, I break them in for my customers if they prefer (200 rounds) for a fee of course. I know from experience its no fun to shoot 50 times in one sitting and that is with a glove on. So you go to the range , pay $25 for a range fee and shoot it what 15 times and quit. How much fun was that? This is not just the LCP this includes the P3at and a whole host of mouse guns. They are not easy on your hand. I carry mouse guns only when I have no other choice, only! Then when I do they are ones that my self and my students who have helped me, have put through a thousand or so round's. Nothing helps a gun like a gazillion rounds through it. My most reliable M16 Machine F/A gun has 10,000 rounds or more of .223 through it and my UZI full auto that has about the same in 9mm. So I am not slamming any gun, I have never met a gun I do not love, some just more than others. Right now all I really care about is my AR50 50 BMG at all. No really a concealable gun.

[Evad]

No: So just because it a .380 its a direct competitor? LCP is in the mouse gun category I have never seen a 42 called a mouse gun.

Ok. I am going to try one last time. What would you find it comparable to? Last I recall you were comparing it to larger caliber alternatives. Let's say apples to apples here. Teach me something. Don't tell me how it's better than the LCP then say it isn't fair to compare them.

It is going to replace my diamond back DB9 and DB380, I see no need to carry them any more with this reliable gun around my office. I also carried a Kel Tech PF9 sometimes, see no reason to do that anymore either. My wife is only undecided as she has carried the PPK for so long, (I have been there its like a n old friend) but she will turn to the Glock after the next time or so she shoots it again. Now comparing it to any gun its size, not necessarily weight as many people like weight for added comfort shooting. Any plastic Kahr in the same size and plastic frame would be a candidate for comparison but more money as will be most of the reliable guns in this category. That is where I think ultimately the 42 will win out at $399 list at least at Bill hicks this is going to be attractive to guys like me who care more about jams. The Glock is not a mouse gun, I know no one who would want to get into a shoot out with a mouse gun if they had a choice. Some people buy guns with no regrets they have money and its just a toy. They also can have a collection of guns to chose from each day. Some people put their last dime on the one gun after they get their permit. I have talked to such people who have been coached into the LCP. After they sent it back twice for various problems (not being able to carry as its their only gun while it being repaired) when they get it back it still is unreliable and they say it is no fun to shoot. I have shot one many times, I break them in for my customers if they prefer (200 rounds) for a fee of course. I know from experience its no fun to shoot 50 times in one sitting and that is with a glove on. So you go to the range , pay $25 for a range fee and shoot it what 15 times and quit. How much fun was that? This is not just the LCP this includes the P3at and a whole host of mouse guns. They are not easy on your hand. I carry mouse guns only when I have no other choice, only! Then when I do they are ones that my self and my students who have helped me, have put through a thousand or so round's. Nothing helps a gun like a gazillion rounds through it. My most reliable M16 Machine F/A gun has 10,000 rounds or more of .223 through it and my UZI full auto that has about the same in 9mm. So I am not slamming any gun, I have never met a gun I do not love, some just more than others. Right now all I really care about is my AR50 50 BMG at all. No really a concealable gun.

You sure seem to like bringing the LCP in, then saying you aren't comparing it. The other thing I got out of this is you are replacing a diamondback with a Glock. That is a very wise choice. Congrats, enjoy.

[cobb]

With all that said, I would just go with a Sig P938.

I know, way off topic, but although the Glock has a proven track record, I thinks there are other equal if not better choices out there.

[Evad]

I really love glock in general. This just isn't for me. When it morphs into a single stack 9mm, I may retire the LCP. I'm excited to hear reliability reports on the r51. Hell, I'd like to see that compared in pictures to the g42.

[gunsmith]

I think I have a rendezvous with a single stack 9mm Glock somewhere in the future.

The mouse sized .380 has a special place...

(a gun when you would otherwise not have one, that's also smaller than your wallet.)

The Glock 42 discussion only interests me as a prelude to the Glock Slim-9. Someone who's handled the G-42 said a 9mm would have to be Re-engineered and bigger ???

The other Slim-9's operate at the edge of what's possible in terms of power / mechanics.

I hope they're working overtime working out the bugs.

[jp8775]

I was told by a Glock rep and read in a gun magazine review, that the 42 is a prelude to a 9mm version. I also would be excited to see this. The advantage of a single stack for concealment is huge. When you add the reliability Glock has it will also be a good carry choice. I was also told that Glock will never get into mouse guns at a Glock armorer class years ago. He said that Glock will not market a gun that is not targeted at Law enforcement primarily. The 42 was targeted to be a deep back up gun for L.E. first and so will the 9mm version. Glock does not like playing the beat the price game that is so prevalent in the civilian market. They saw loyal Glock owners in L.E. carrying something else as a back up because Glock offered them nothing. Since Glock is such a close and tight lipped company all we can really do is listen to word on the street. They rarely make statements.

[jp8775]

When I retire guns as I am doing with the DB9 it just gets cycled into training guns for my students that I borrow to them to use for free. I keep close track of the rounds through them. It has been my experience that most any mouse gun becomes much more reliable if you get 300-500 rounds through it. That is in my opinion because they are CNC machined and very little gun smith-ing is done to them, in short they are rough. Once a DB9/Db380 is broken in they are quite reliable. Most mouse guns say to run 200 rounds through them or close in the manual. I have no problem with this, I would rather run 200 rounds through the gun than spent the money on the gun in higher cost. I want to shoot always. Another side benefit is I am confident in the gun when I have shot it a lot. All my mouse guns perform well but are well shot in. This has been a good discussion. I think sig makes a good gun. Not sure if they are actually made in US though. I try to buy things that at least are made here even if the company is foreign. This is not always possible though.
I have had many guns brought to me with the complaint that is FTF, I ask how any rounds have you shot through it. Followed by 300 or so. I take the gun apart and say NFW this gun has had more than 20-50 rounds. Then the truth comes out. Most every gun I have had the pleasure to deal with that has the "it jams more than I think it should" is not broken in, unless it is a gun that has the history of being a jammer and nothing you can do will fix it with the exception of specific ammo and that only reduces the problem. Moral of the story break in your gun or just buy a expensive gun or a Glock Ha HA.

[jp8775]

Evad: Are you saying you have 100% never jamming, FTF, stove piping or ammo selective LCP? Really? Really?
That's what 100% perfect means right?

[Evad]

Evad: Are you saying you have 100% never jamming, FTF, stove piping or ammo selective LCP? Really? Really?
That's what 100% perfect means right?

50 rounds of hornady critical defense, and a few hundred magtech RN. Not a single problem.

Edit-40 rounds or hornady. Two boxes.

[cobb]

Evad: Are you saying you have 100% never jamming, FTF, stove piping or ammo selective LCP? Really? Really?
That's what 100% perfect means right?

My daughter and I both have a LCP. To my knowledge my daughter has not had any problems and so far zero problems with mine. I have not shot mine extensively, only a few hundred rounds with cheap range ammo, no premium ammo, but no issues. The problem I see many times with these small semi-autos are the shooters more than the gun, poor grip causing feeding problems.

[jp8775]

I agree with cobb, grip is the most important factor in mice guns. I just goggled "LCP jam" 9 pages of reports and then I stopped reading. I am sure if you do the same for most all mice guns you will see the same. This is why I only carry them when its absolutely necessary or I have no choice. The problem is people do carry mice as their primary gun, lots do. It gets worse when it sits in your purse for months or worse in your pocket and collect dust and dries out. I have never seen a mice gun that consistently comes with a student to qualify that is 100% perfect ever. There is not one brand or model I would ever tell a student is 100% perfect no problem no jams. I personal have never shot 50 rounds through a new mice gun with out 1 jam. Not to say it hasn't or can't happen just not for me. Just to be clear I am picking on all mice guns not just one brand, I just goggled most of the popular ones and they all have jamming rap sheets.

[cobb]

jp, would you consider a PM9 a mouse gun?

[jp8775]

jp, would you consider a PM9 a mouse gun?

This is from the Kahr site below. At 5.45 inches OAL and 14 oz. No. But that would be my opinion. This is the same size or bigger than the 42 that I have never seen referred to as a mouse gun. Do you think a PM9 is a mouse gun? Its also a 9mm. Most mouse guns are .380 or smaller as was said earlier in this thread a inferior caliber. Not my opinion though.
Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 6+1, 7+1 (magazine with grip extension)
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 3.1", polygonal rifling; 1 - 10 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 5.42"
Height: 4.0"
Slide Width: .90"
Weight: Pistol 14 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Grips: Textured polymer
Sights: Drift adjustable, white bar-dot combat sights
Finish: Black polymer frame, matte stainless steel slide
Magazines: 1 each: 6 rd flush floorplate & 7 rd extended grip

[jp8775]

I would refer to a PM9 as well as a G42 and guns that have OAL in the 5.5 area as pocket pistols. To small to hide in your palm, but easy to conceal and work well with a pocket holster.