Gun bans successfully enforced in Britain?

[Randygmn]

Moon labe

[CraigJS]

USA and UK, are like comparing Apples and Oranges. Histories are 180 degrees different.. Guns are part of our history, in the UK hardly at all.

[selurcspi]

USA and UK, are like comparing Apples and Oranges. Histories are 180 degrees different.. Guns are part of our history, in the UK hardly at all.

Not so.

In Britain up until the 1960s, you could own all types of guns, including full autos. The general populace were incrementally persuaded to register and turn in their guns by a chain of Labour party (read Democrat) initiatives until the first multiple shooting in Hungerford where an illegal arms dealer flipped out and murdered a bunch of people with a legally owned AK, causing the banning of all auto-loading and automatic rifles to be banned and pump and auto shotguns to be treated more harshly than the more "acceptable SxS or OxU. There were several incidents under Tory governments that were dealt with as crimes and the criminals were punished until the Dunblain multiple murder of 15 school children and their teacher by a mad man who the local firearms officer had recommended to the chief Constable that his license should not be renewed. The Chief over rode the FOs judgment and the rest is history. A new Labour government came into power and promptly banned all handguns. At the time of the turn in, the Home office estimated that there were approximately 1 million handguns in Britain, 75% being registered and collected in 1997. By 2002, Violent crime had tripled and Gun crime had quadrupled and the Home office estimated that there were not more than 2 million handguns in Britain, 0% of which were registered. Several factors made this possible, firstly the Soviet Union collapsed and soldiers were trading their guns in the old eastern block. France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Denmark Spain and Italy all have laws controlling firearms, which while they are not very permissive are neither draconian and all of these countries leaked guns into Britain, in part as a conduit from the east, but also from their own registered / Stolen inventory. France is the worst offender, as there is no serialized registered part that is essentially "The Gun", therefore you can buy all of the parts...but don't you put them together.

So, to end my RANT, Britain had a strong firearms heritage, with an NRA, about 5 years older than ours, but the people were conned into believing "Guns are BAD" by the same liberal loonies we hearing over here for the last 30 years. In the US in recent years the portion of the population depending on the government for their welfare has grown giving power to the left. In Britain the population's apathy to guns has been synthesized using 2 world wars that gave the power to the left on two major occasions while the right was weak after just prosecuting wars they probably (depending on who you listen to) shouldn't have been involved in.

Don't think the left's tactics are new, the commies have been working these same stunts since 1917 or perhaps a little earlier. Almost all of the European firearms laws came into being after the Russian revolution. As the people were not trusted with guns by their governments because they were tyrannical.


Really, end of RANT.

[CraigJS]

I stand corrected, thank you..

(Laughing thinking about English cowboys..)

[selurcspi]

I stand corrected, thank you..

(Laughing thinking about English cowboys..)

Don't forget the founding fathers sounded more like me than you

[Lumpy]

So are the statistics in dispute? Guns are more common and murders more frequent in the UK than the gun control crowd claims?

[selurcspi]

So are the statistics in dispute? Guns are more common and murders more frequent in the UK than the gun control crowd claims?

They are indeed.
However the figures are pretty low for gun involved crime, but they are climbing. Violent crime and specifically murder are now beginning to surpass US rates and are accelerating.

[bensdad]

I don't feel like diggin', so don't ask for a cite, but I'm pretty sure London has been more dangerous than any major U.S. city since... well more or less since humans realized tomatoes weren't poisonous.

[selurcspi]

I don't feel like diggin', so don't ask for a cite, but I'm pretty sure London has been more dangerous than any major U.S. city since... well more or less since humans realized tomatoes weren't poisonous.

About 20 years, give or take a few.

[CraigJS]

"Don't forget the founding fathers sounded more like me than you"

FYI: I'm English..

[bensdad]

"Don't forget the founding fathers sounded more like me than you"

FYI: I'm English..

Do you guys know Pierce Morgan?

[selurcspi]

"Don't forget the founding fathers sounded more like me than you"

FYI: I'm English..

You need to come to more gettogethers and shoots so we can recognize each other. You don't sound English when you write

[CraigJS]

I say old chap, with a name like Steuart ? Hum, funny you don't look English

[MNGunner]

Make sure to do your part to attempt to educate any friends and acquaintances you have who might be tempted to vote for a democrat.
Taking them shooting is a great way to help them.