Gun store “operators”

[Bearcatrp]

Your part of the problem by not demanding to see the store manager immediately and having this dumb ass escorted off the premises. By turning your head and walking away, you left a problem lay there that could get worst. How would you feel if the next day the same idiot did it to another customer but the gun discharges and kills that person? Am sure there is video in that store to prove it. CALL and complain!

[Ghost]

[Erud]

I decided it was finally time to get a properly fitting pistol for my wife. She has small hands and has never been happy with anything I have in my collection. The S&W M&P seemed that it might be a good fit, but I’ve bought her the wrong thing too many times, so this last weekend I took her to a gun store in Rogers to handle some potential options.

A perfect example of the effects of a guy trying to buy a gun for a woman. I still have a standing $50 bet with any guy that thinks he can pick out the right firearm for a wife/girlfriend/SO to go into a woman's shoe store, look around and then pick out the pair of shoes that you think she will buy. Then let her go in and buy a pair of shoes and see if you're right. You, of course have a snowball's chance in hell of picking the right pair of shoes, because you have no clue about women and shoes. Well, it's no different with guns, because even though a guy can understand a lot about guns, they still have no clue about what a woman actually wants. The above poster is the perfect example, and he's gone through a pretty fair sum of money to learn this lesson.

My suggestion is to contact Wrench or Sawgrass on this forum, and let them help your wife out while you have a beer and watch football. You really need another woman to help your wife out in a situation like this.

So true. This is because women are all frail flowers with absolutely no ability to adapt to any sort of adversity. With a man, you can just hand him any old pistol you have lying around and he'll shoot few rounds through it without complaint, even if it isn't his dream gun. A woman in the same situation will immediately burst into tears and run away screaming, never to touch another gun again, and vowing to immediately repeal the 2nd Amendment. This why both the military and police have special programs for women. Whenever a woman joins, they immediately take her pistol shopping so she can find the one that's "just right". If the perfect lady gun cannot be found, they will assign a gunsmith to build one to her specs. This is how female shooters have to be dealt with, there's just no other way.

[2in2out]

I don't think it's too late to call the OP's ex-Navy SEAL, ex-Army Special Forces AND ex-Para-Rescue operator to the attention of the store owner.

[Lumpy]

You, of course have a snowball's chance in hell of picking the right pair of shoes, because you have no clue about women and shoes.

Sure I do! Get her shoes that (1) Have three-inch or higher heels, and (2) Hurt her feet; that way she constantly shifts from foot to foot swaying in a way that shows off her legs and hips.

[Rodentman]

I wouldn't have a woman pick out a new leg for me.

[azonesolutions]

For those who are curious this location does NOT have a range.

Sam,
I've never bought a firearm for my wife in the past. She has always used one of mine, but as noted they don't properly fit her. My comment about buying her the wrong thing in the past was in reference to items like clothes, shoes. etc. which are usually the wrong size and always the wrong color. I've been a LE firearms instructor for about 25 years so I've seen the challenge women have with many firearms generally designed to fit the average man. As to having her receive help from a female trainer, that was another reason for getting her a well fitting handgun. She has finally agreed to accompany me to Tom Givens' Rangemaster Tactical Conference in March and she wants to participate in the ladies only session.

[selurcspi]

I've bought my wife dozens of guns and she can shoot them all, no problem. Everything from a Ruger .22 pistol to a 500 S&W.
Of course it really helps if your wife is as much into shooting as China is.

[Seismic Sam]

For those who are curious this location does NOT have a range.

Sam,
I've never bought a firearm for my wife in the past. She has always used one of mine, but as noted they don't properly fit her. My comment about buying her the wrong thing in the past was in reference to items like clothes, shoes. etc. which are usually the wrong size and always the wrong color. I've been a LE firearms instructor for about 25 years so I've seen the challenge women have with many firearms generally designed to fit the average man. As to having her receive help from a female trainer, that was another reason for getting her a well fitting handgun. She has finally agreed to accompany me to Tom Givens' Rangemaster Tactical Conference in March and she wants to participate in the ladies only session.

Well, congratulations Sir, on having enough money to fly to Egypt and then charter a caravan where you can go swimming and be neck deep in DeNile. Your experience with clothing and shoes have given you some clue that you're not tuned into women's fashions (just like me!!), and in that light your 25 years as a firearms instructor don't mean diddly squat when it comes to guns for women. She can PM Wrench or Sawgrass TOMORROW and get the advice that XXXXX's Tackital Conference MIGHT give her next YEAR for God only knows how much money.

And to repeat something I posted on a long time ago, unless you have ever been to a women's OnTarget training class with EVERY caliber available, you really can't judge what women like. I show up with the heavy stuff (10mm, 50 GI, and 500 S&W among others), and the response is pretty positive. SOME women absolutely LOVE the 10mm with full power loads (200 grain bullet at 1200 FPS), and the 50 GI is not a lot different except the recoil is softer but there is a lot more push. Multiple times I have gone to the range with the 50GI with JUST women (extreme sarcasm) and gone home defenceless with NO ammo at all. With the 500 Smith with "midrange" loads (325 grain JHP at 1600 FPS) the women who shot it had very little trouble, and one new female OGC member who is 125 lbs. soaking wet that was younger than my 2nd daughter shot two full cylinders of this stuff. I am enough of a sadist to give all the women one of the500 cases they shot, so they can go home and tell "the hubby" what they got to shoot that day. Your wife is VERY smart to want to go with a ladies only session, but that can be done here right now for little or no cost. And lest you assume this is a plug, I have the names of other female instructors you can have for the asking.

[azonesolutions]

Benny,
I concur, China is quite a gal and a pretty good shot. I hope you are getting her a new pistol for Christmas as she deserves it for the great help she is with the bang-ping.

Sam,
Thanks for the sage advice. I'll be sure to consider it when go shopping

[UnaStamus]

So here's something I will say- gun that "fit" are subjective. I have very small hands; smaller than probably 99% of the people on this forum. People always doubt this until I show them. My wife is 5'2" with small girly hands, and we have the same size hands. The only difference is that my fingers are drastically thicker due to me being a guy and having substantially more muscle mass. 98% of the guns on the market are a very poor fit for my hands. Most of the ones that do fit are small pocket-rocket pistols, and those generally suck to have for anything other than CCW. Of all the guns I've ever owned, the only gun that ever fit me right off the bat was the 1911, and that was with aftermarket thin grip panels. As a vet and cop I've been issued the Beretta M9, Glock 22, Gen4 Glock 22, S&W M&P9 and now the Gen4 Glock 17. None have fit me sufficiently. My current G17 was sent to Robar to have the grip reduction done, which helped and has made the gun a lot easier to manipulate, but it's still slightly too large for my hand.

Finding a gun that fits is going to be difficult. You're going to have to consider the fact that you may need to settle on something and make it work. Food for thought is all.


As for the gun shops and bad muzzle control- I'm numb to it now. It's been so bad for so long that I just stopped paying attention anymore. Sad as it is, that's how it is. Drawing a loaded gun from a holster is over the line and I would take issue with that, but the guns from behind the counter I don't even care about anymore. Some places are good about muzzle control like at Arnzen Arms, but most shops and big name stores these days have hired lots of people who have marginal knowledge about anything. Keep in mind though that most retail stores hire extra seasonal employees to cope with the numbers. That can up the amount of derp.

[Seismic Sam]

Benny,
I concur, China is quite a gal and a pretty good shot. I hope you are getting her a new pistol for Christmas as she deserves it for the great help she is with the bang-ping.

Sam,
Thanks for the sage advice. I'll be sure to consider it when go shopping

Well, thank you for the positive attitude. Unfortunately, you are only half the way there. If she decides on a gun she likes AFTER she has used it and selected it for HERSELF, your ONLY purpose is to buy it for her in the same way you got her the engagement ring. Seriously!! The only other thing you can do is put a gift certificate for a day in the SPA with the gun or stuff it in a dozen rose bouquet.

[yuppiejr]

So if you buy a gun your wife doesn't like and end up with another in the safe is this a bad thing?

[xd ED]

[Randygmn]

For those who are curious this location does NOT have a range.

Sam,
I've never bought a firearm for my wife in the past. She has always used one of mine, but as noted they don't properly fit her. My comment about buying her the wrong thing in the past was in reference to items like clothes, shoes. etc. which are usually the wrong size and always the wrong color. I've been a LE firearms instructor for about 25 years so I've seen the challenge women have with many firearms generally designed to fit the average man. As to having her receive help from a female trainer, that was another reason for getting her a well fitting handgun. She has finally agreed to accompany me to Tom Givens' Rangemaster Tactical Conference in March and she wants to participate in the ladies only session.

I knew it!! The place has that "shady" feeling to it. And from my own experiences, the workers there have no idea what they are talking about. Stay away, folks.