Franklin Armory Binary Firing Sysyem

[xd ED]

While I'm not necessarily for or against this device, please let me know what firing range you guys are at that people still have their finger on the trigger as they are leaving or off the line. I want to stay away. Personally I have not encountered such an occurrence.

As others have stated - the release trigger is nothing new, some shotgunner's swear by them. There was also a release trigger for benchrest - but I can't find the reference now for the life of me.

May be handy for controlled pairs, obviously doesn't work too well for mag dumps(not that those are practical). For now I'll put it in the 'novelty' column like bumpfire stocks and Taccon forced reset triggers.

As I understand them, the traditional utilization of release-fire triggers are to mitigate trigger jerk and flinching impulses- mostly among clay target shooters.

People slip on spent rounds, stumble, bump into benches, each other, aim/ sweep above the berms/ at the ceiling, get distracted in the extreme by the thunder-boomer in the next lane, and even drop guns.
The results of doing so with the trigger depressed with this thing aren't difficult to imagine.

As to the previous remark about big boomer pistols- youtube is full of asshats with a S&W 500 barrell off-target 90°+, often over the shoulder of the shooter; a second round fired at that moment wouldn't be pretty.

Stand by her with a binary trigger

[Bearcatrp]

Surprised she didn't split her skull with that monster. Can't fix stupid!

[Ghost]

Surprised she didn't split her skull with that monster. Can't fix stupid!

It does happen, I read the story of the girl killing herself with the S&W 500 and now won't load all the holes when letting new people fire my 460.

http://bearingarms.com/negligent-suicide-with-a-500-smith-wesson-revolver/

[xd ED]

Looks like another version of this is hitting the market:

MAKE IT ECHO

Fostech Outdoors, makers of the Origin-12 series of semi-automatic shotguns and Bumpski bump-fire stock for AKs, recently received ATF approval to manufacture a new drop-in rapid-fire trigger designed for AR-15-pattern rifles. It’s a trigger that fires on the initial pull and then again on the reset!

Thanks to a strict reading of the law, these triggers aren’t considered select-fire or machine gun parts because they still only fire one shot with each pull of the trigger, only dropping the hammer the second time when the trigger is released.

FOSTECH’S ‘ECHO’ TRIGGER FIRES RAPID-FIRE DOUBLE-TAPS–SHOT SHOW 2016

[Bitter Bastard]

I've chimed in with similar comments before, but I can't believe all Fudd-like comments on this board. Here's a company, or a couple of them, trying to innovate and bring shooters more options and all anyone here does is bash them. There was a similar thread to this when FN announced the semi-auto 249. Hey, I get it, this is a discussion board and people are entitled to their opinions but gun owners are our own worst enemy sometimes. I won't likely buy one of these gizmos but fully support their place in the marketplace. They go on GUNS which are inherently dangerous if misused. Gadgets like this have been around since the 70's or 80's. With the ability to NOT fire the shot on release by switching to safe or the traditional semi-auto position, this version is likely safer than most.

These aren't much different than the neutered AR-15's that were available from 94-04, which got around the assault weapons ban by following the law as written - remove the threaded barrel and bayonet lug, and it's not an assault weapon. This is similar in that since we can't have new machine guns since '86, well, these guys followed the law as written and came up with a way to (potentially) fire a gun faster than a 'normal' semi auto.

Honestly, I'm embarrassed to hang out here sometimes.


Bitter Bastard

[hammAR]

..............but I can't believe all Fudd-like comments on this board.............

Amen........................

[FJ540]

I've chimed in with similar comments before, but I can't believe all Fudd-like comments on this board. Here's a company, or a couple of them, trying to innovate and bring shooters more options and all anyone here does is bash them. There was a similar thread to this when FN announced the semi-auto 249. Hey, I get it, this is a discussion board and people are entitled to their opinions but gun owners are our own worst enemy sometimes. I won't likely buy one of these gizmos but fully support their place in the marketplace. They go on GUNS which are inherently dangerous if misused. Gadgets like this have been around since the 70's or 80's. With the ability to NOT fire the shot on release by switching to safe or the traditional semi-auto position, this version is likely safer than most.

These aren't much different than the neutered AR-15's that were available from 94-04, which got around the assault weapons ban by following the law as written - remove the threaded barrel and bayonet lug, and it's not an assault weapon. This is similar in that since we can't have new machine guns since '86, well, these guys followed the law as written and came up with a way to (potentially) fire a gun faster than a 'normal' semi auto.

Honestly, I'm embarrassed to hang out here sometimes.


Bitter Bastard

If someone altered your drive by wire accelerator pedal in your car to not only apply more fuel when pressed, but also depressed - you wouldn't see that as a serious flaw?

[Bitter Bastard]

I've chimed in with similar comments before, but I can't believe all Fudd-like comments on this board. Here's a company, or a couple of them, trying to innovate and bring shooters more options and all anyone here does is bash them. There was a similar thread to this when FN announced the semi-auto 249. Hey, I get it, this is a discussion board and people are entitled to their opinions but gun owners are our own worst enemy sometimes. I won't likely buy one of these gizmos but fully support their place in the marketplace. They go on GUNS which are inherently dangerous if misused. Gadgets like this have been around since the 70's or 80's. With the ability to NOT fire the shot on release by switching to safe or the traditional semi-auto position, this version is likely safer than most.

These aren't much different than the neutered AR-15's that were available from 94-04, which got around the assault weapons ban by following the law as written - remove the threaded barrel and bayonet lug, and it's not an assault weapon. This is similar in that since we can't have new machine guns since '86, well, these guys followed the law as written and came up with a way to (potentially) fire a gun faster than a 'normal' semi auto.

Honestly, I'm embarrassed to hang out here sometimes.


Bitter Bastard

If someone altered your drive by wire accelerator pedal in your car to not only apply more fuel when pressed, but also depressed - you wouldn't see that as a serious flaw?

Not if that was a specific feature I'd paid extra for. Geez, it's not like people are randomly switching out other people's triggers here.

[jshuberg]

Fudd, really!!??!! This is a stupid gizmo that lets people pretend they have a machine gun, just like bump fire stocks. It transforms a weapon into a dangerous toy. It's not innovative, it's not an advance in firearm development, it's a spoiler for a ford pinto. It's masturbation.

If you want to shoot a machine gun, buy one or rent one. Don't make your firearm potentially unsafe just so you can visit the land of make-believe.


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[bpacman]

Come on guys. It has a selector switch. You can choose which mode of fire you want. To me it is a no brainer. I can see this as a possible 3Gun enhancement that they will have to decide if they will allow it in competition. Most targets require 2 hits per target. It really doesn't fire much faster than a nice geissle trigger used by someone who practices followup shots.

For me, I may buy one just to be able to switch my Spike's Honey Badger lower to "Don't Give a ****"

Bp

[Erud]

I've chimed in with similar comments before, but I can't believe all Fudd-like comments on this board. Here's a company, or a couple of them, trying to innovate and bring shooters more options and all anyone here does is bash them. There was a similar thread to this when FN announced the semi-auto 249. Hey, I get it, this is a discussion board and people are entitled to their opinions but gun owners are our own worst enemy sometimes. I won't likely buy one of these gizmos but fully support their place in the marketplace. They go on GUNS which are inherently dangerous if misused. Gadgets like this have been around since the 70's or 80's. With the ability to NOT fire the shot on release by switching to safe or the traditional semi-auto position, this version is likely safer than most.

These aren't much different than the neutered AR-15's that were available from 94-04, which got around the assault weapons ban by following the law as written - remove the threaded barrel and bayonet lug, and it's not an assault weapon. This is similar in that since we can't have new machine guns since '86, well, these guys followed the law as written and came up with a way to (potentially) fire a gun faster than a 'normal' semi auto.

Honestly, I'm embarrassed to hang out here sometimes.


Bitter Bastard

So anytime any company comes out with any product that has anything to do with firearms, we need to support them even if their product is dumb? Or else we are Fudds, and our own worst enemy?

One difference between this product and the neutered ban-era AR's, is that this dopey product will make it a heck of a lot easier for someone to get accidentally shot at your local public range.

[bpacman]

You don't need to support them. Like we say to the libtards...if you don't like them, don't buy one. Problem solved. And the situation/event that would result in someone getting accidentally shot on a range would be no different with this trigger or any other trigger.

[Erud]

You don't need to support them. Like we say to the libtards...if you don't like them, don't buy one. Problem solved. And the situation/event that would result in someone getting accidentally shot on a range would be no different with this trigger or any other trigger.

So I don't have to buy one? Ok, thanks for that. But I do still need to only speak positively about the idea on the internet? Or else I'm my own worst enemy?

Also, you aren't able to foresee any potential safety issues with a trigger that fires a shot when you pull it AND when you release it? None?

[bpacman]

Well, 23 years of shooting a weapon in the Army that is capable to firing 3 rounds every time you pull and release the trigger gives me some experience on what to expect as far as potential safety issues. Again, I don't see the danger potential here. Once you make the decision to rotate that switch another 45 degrees, you know what to expect and you know you need to rotate the switch 90 degrees to be safe again. You keep your finger off the trigger and you are safe as well. If you fear the reputation hit on the gun community, then I can understand your apprehension. But assuming this enhancement is unsafe is not justified in my opinion.

Bp

[Rip Van Winkle]

I see no reason to support a product which, makes the prospect of a ND more likely and WILL be banned by the ATF.

I guess that just makes me a Fudd.