Carry Permit

[Sorcerer]

Thanks everyone for your input. I am working with Nicollet county. I wouldnt dare carry without the permit even though I know it is already valid. It's only 2 days late, but I am frustrated since I didn't bother with a purchase permit. So the gun I bought is still sitting at the store I purchased it at.

When I got my first permit in Hennepin Co. They mailed mine I beleave at the end of the day on the 30th day. Another 3 days by postal pony.

[fingers]

Which county? During my most recent experience with Dakota County, they mailed it out literally at Day 30...the permit card wasn't in my hot little hand until Day 35.

As others have stated, your Carry permit status isn't a tangible thing...meaning, you don't NEED to have the card to be permitted to carry...but, as still others have said, good luck proving that to a cop on the side of the road.

You need the card if you are carrying. This is the law:

624.714 Subd. 1b.Display of permit; penalty. (a) The holder of a permit to carry must have the permit card and a driver's license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document upon lawful demand by a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1. A violation of this paragraph is a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25. Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this paragraph is not subject to forfeiture.

You forgot subpart (b) - thank Joe Olson and David Gross every day for the subtleties of this law.

Subd. 1b.Display of permit; penalty. (a) The holder of a permit to carry must have the permit card and a driver's license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document upon lawful demand by a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1. A violation of this paragraph is a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25. Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this paragraph is not subject to forfeiture.
(b) A citation issued for violating paragraph (a) must be dismissed if the person demonstrates, in court or in the office of the arresting officer, that the person was authorized to carry the pistol at the time of the alleged violation.

Great point. I did not keep reading after I thought I found my answer. I believe that 1) as long as you are willing to deal with the hassle of going to court; and 2) you are willing to take the risk that a potential denial was not lost in the mail, then carrying without your permit would be lawful.

[photogpat]

Great point. I did not keep reading after I thought I found my answer. I believe that 1) as long as you are willing to deal with the hassle of going to court; and 2) you are willing to take the risk that a potential denial was not lost in the mail, then carrying without your permit would be lawful.

The permit status database is accessible to dispatchers...all the officer has to do is have them run the query...heck, they probably had it done when you were pulled over based off the registered owner of the vehicle...

Either way, obviously best practices say to carry your permit card. I just enjoy pointing out that the law is crafted in such a way as to protect you if you inadvertently forget your wallet or the permit gets "held up in the mail" (either accidentally or intentionally) by the sheriff's office.

[ttousi]

Great point. I did not keep reading after I thought I found my answer. I believe that 1) as long as you are willing to deal with the hassle of going to court; and 2) you are willing to take the risk that a potential denial was not lost in the mail, then carrying without your permit would be lawful.

The permit status database is accessible to dispatchers...all the officer has to do is have them run the query...heck, they probably had it done when you were pulled over based off the registered owner of the vehicle...

Either way, obviously best practices say to carry your permit card. I just enjoy pointing out that the law is crafted in such a way as to protect you if you inadvertently forget your wallet or the permit gets "held up in the mail" (either accidentally or intentionally) by the sheriff's office.

just don't assume that the "held up in the mail" (either accidentally or intentionally) by the sheriff's office permit has been entered into the data base.

[Sorcerer]

Great point. I did not keep reading after I thought I found my answer. I believe that 1) as long as you are willing to deal with the hassle of going to court; and 2) you are willing to take the risk that a potential denial was not lost in the mail, then carrying without your permit would be lawful.

The permit status database is accessible to dispatchers...all the officer has to do is have them run the query...heck, they probably had it done when you were pulled over based off the registered owner of the vehicle...

Either way, obviously best practices say to carry your permit card. I just enjoy pointing out that the law is crafted in such a way as to protect you if you inadvertently forget your wallet or the permit gets "held up in the mail" (either accidentally or intentionally) by the sheriff's office.

Would they keep your firearm until you produced your permit. Also if it has not been entered into the data base I bet you may be arrested and jailed depending where you are stopped. Go ahead be a test case, if you can afford it.

[photogpat]

Can't you call to find out if it's, in fact, been issued?

[fingers]

Can't you call to find out if it's, in fact, been issued?

The guy says he can't get through to the proper person. I personally would just go down there. In my experience, in Hastings, the people there are very friendly and helpful. If you go down there, I recommend you leave the firearm in the car, don't bring it up to the counter.

[Slavep]

Still waiting. BTW- I am a woman. I finally was able to reach the person I needed to speak with at the SO. She said she had been waiting on something from Pennsylvania. She said she would try to get it done tomorrow. I asked if I could pick it up rather than waiting on the snail mail, especially over the weekend. She said it would be ok, but I had to call her first to make sure it is done. Hmmm
I also called the store where I purchased the pistol. The said they are happy to hold onto it until my permit arrives. I added extra Houge grips to it also. It wasn't a cheap gun. Wouldn't it be a trip if they switched it out and sold it?
Trying very hard to be patient...

[gun_fan111v2]

Whatcha get?

[photogpat]

Still waiting. BTW- I am a woman. I finally was able to reach the person I needed to speak with at the SO. She said she had been waiting on something from Pennsylvania. She said she would try to get it done tomorrow. I asked if I could pick it up rather than waiting on the snail mail, especially over the weekend. She said it would be ok, but I had to call her first to make sure it is done. Hmmm
I also called the store where I purchased the pistol. The said they are happy to hold onto it until my permit arrives. I added extra Houge grips to it also. It wasn't a cheap gun. Wouldn't it be a trip if they switched it out and sold it?
Trying very hard to be patient...

They have 30 days. Period.

If you'd care to PM me specifics - I'm sure one of our State advocacy groups would love to send the Sheriff a reminder of the law.

[Slavep]

Sig Sauer P238 .380. I've been shooting with that same gun but renting it at the range. I love that pistol! I used to shoot with hubby's S&W 9mm M&P, but it was just too much for me. I have Fibro and my hands would swell up for days after. I am much more accurate with the .380 anyways.

[Slavep]

@Photogpat
I think I will wait to see what tomorrow brings, but I will keep that in mind. Thank you!

[gun_fan111v2]

Sig Sauer P238 .380. I've been shooting with that same gun but renting it at the range. I love that pistol! I used to shoot with hubby's S&W 9mm M&P, but it was just too much for me. I have Fibro and my hands would swell up for days after. I am much more accurate with the .380 anyways.

Cool pistols. I really want to check out the Browning mini 1911 in 380

[Slavep]

Let me know if you do and what you think.

[Slavep]

Permit is finally issued. I am picking it up this afternoon. I am so happy!
Thanks to all of you for your help!