Screwdriver for protection?

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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby plblark on Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:26 pm

Stradawhovious wrote:
Thunderjohn wrote:Or maybe one of those that has a bunch of
interchangeable heads, secretly hidden in the cap?


That's the Tactical model.


Does it have a light rail?
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby Stradawhovious on Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:28 pm

plblark wrote:
Stradawhovious wrote:
Thunderjohn wrote:Or maybe one of those that has a bunch of
interchangeable heads, secretly hidden in the cap?


That's the Tactical model.


Does it have a light rail?



Nope. They figured the one from downtown to the MOA was enough.
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby monschman on Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:41 pm

Who other than a professional would need a light rail on a screwdriver. I have an 18" big black flathead (hey) does that make it an ebs?
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby Tutmos on Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:48 pm

Honestly I think there is a basis for this. That is that many people who might carry a gun don't have or have been terrified by threat of eternal imprisonment and cell rape from a willingness to actually use the gun if the moment calls for it. Most of those people may simply be hoping for some outside force to save them at the last moment before the killer has his hands on your gun and you won't have to kill them.

Then of course the government is telling you to pray for mercy from the criminal apparently.

If you don't have the cold streak and willingness to watch a person in torment and pain, dying because of your response because of what they were about to do to you or your family then you probably shouldn't carry a real gun, get a replica instead.

Without it actually happening nobody can say for certain how they'll react but I'm not planning to hesitate if there's a flinch from the bad man.
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby AgAuTHORITY on Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:53 pm

When reading the title to this thread first thing I thought of, don't discount the power of vodka and orange juice! :D
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby Rodentman on Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:51 pm

Thank you for the replies! I intend to write a letter on this, but I won't have time until the weekend.

I tried to bring this up in the driving class, but all the people wanted to do was to get home to watch American Idle (sic).
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby zachs on Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:57 pm

the tactical screwdriver comes as a set and includes one of those handy baseball hats with the lights on it, think I saw these onsale at fleetfarm
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby gman1868 on Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:10 pm

Ban Screwdrivers!!


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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby Pezhead on Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:51 am

Since my Leatherman has a screwdriver does that qualify? Although I have a big prybar that looks like a screwdriver. As to it being a burglary tool just tell them it's used to start your car.
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby Fiery Red XIII on Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:57 am

In the Fish shooting in AZ, he claimed the guy threatened him.
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II. EXCLUSION OF REFERENCE TO THE SCREWDRIVER

The issue involving the screwdriver has been an issue fiercely debated for almost one and a half years beginning with the Motion for Remand on the original grand jury indictment and carrying forward to this trial. The defendant adamantly maintains that decedent Kuenzli was armed when he charged the defendant. A screwdriver could have killed or maimed Fish, creating deadly disfiguring injuries. The defendant maintains that the jury should at least have been allowed to consider that evidence and to give the screwdriver in the decedent's rear pocket whatever weight that they deemed appropriate.

This Court committed fundamental error when it allowed the prosecutor to argue to the jury that decedent Kuenzli was "unarmed" when, in fact, he was armed with a seven inch screwdriver concealed in his back pocket. The Court's ruling allowed the prosecutor to mislead and deceive the trial jury regarding the existence of this critical evidence. Grant Kuenzli was armed. The prosecutor’s claim that Kuenzli was unarmed was an egregious misstatement, and utterly false. The damage caused by that ruling was irreparable.

The Court had previously ruled that since defendant Fish did not see the screwdriver in decedent's rear pocket, the existence of the screwdriver could not be considered as justification for the shooting. However, the latitude granted to the prosecutor went far beyond this issue. The Court allowed the prosecutor to open the door, and disallowed the defense from presenting evidence refuting the claim that decedent was unarmed.

The importance of the screwdriver was not a fact lost on the state. If it was so insignificant, why did the state send the screwdriver to the state crime lab for forensic investigation and analysis? The Court's ruling took from the jury critical evidence which denied the jury any ability of determining what weight, if any, to give to the screwdriver. By allowing the State to deceive the jury into believing that decedent Kuenzli was unarmed, their verdict was predicated upon a misleading and deceptive state of facts.

This ruling denied to defendant Fish any ability to provide a "complete defense." It prevented him from showing the decedent's capability of inflicting serious physical injury. It created an environment where the jury falsely believed that Grant Kuenzli was unarmed, allowing the prosecutor to argue that one of the two combatants had a powerful 10 mm gun loaded with hollow point bullets while the other had nothing. Under the Court’s rationale, the State would have been allowed to deceive the grand jury into believing that the decedent was unarmed while carrying a loaded .45 caliber pistol concealed in his back pocket based solely upon the fact that the concealed loaded gun could not be seen by Mr. Fish.
The day after the jury verdict, the jury foreman contacted undersigned counsel expressing shock that the decedent was armed with a screwdriver. He indicated that the jury was not aware of that fact and opined that such information may have had a significant impact on their deliberations. The error was critical and fundamental. In support of this point, the defendant incorporates by reference all prior memoranda filed with the Court on the issue of the screwdriver, together with arguments made by the defense at the time of the Court's ruling, are incorporated with this motion by reference.



I know it is not an unbiased source, but no one denied the guy had a screwdriver.
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby JustMe on Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:30 pm

Geez, I knew 4 guys that carried screwdrivers regularly on the New York subway while they were involved in creative financial enterprises with the general public. And they all got themselves gunned down for it. You might not remember them. They ran into a guy named Bernard Goetz.
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby Thunderjohn on Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:39 pm

zachs wrote:the tactical screwdriver comes as a set and includes one of those handy baseball hats with the lights on it, think I saw these onsale at fleetfarm


The tactical model also has a threaded end. But I never got any light or cap. ?
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby plblark on Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:18 pm

Stradawhovious wrote:
plblark wrote:
Stradawhovious wrote:That's the Tactical model.

Does it have a light rail?

Nope. They figured the one from downtown to the MOA was enough.


And we ALL know how many people have been killed by stupidity around light Rails
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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby mnglocker on Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:44 pm

Mac, how'ya gonna keep this from spilling in your glove box?

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Re: Screwdriver for protection?

Postby ComradeBurg on Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:42 pm

mnglocker wrote:Mac, how'ya gonna keep this from spilling in your glove box?


It's amazing they tell you not to drink and drive yet you're suppose to carry something like a screwdriver for protection? Bloody hypocrites!
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