Here's a nice safe range

[Pinnacle]

I am ummmmm

Speechless - shocked huh?

[Seismic Sam]

Actually, due to the ruinous prices of the exotic brass I shoot, Bill's South is just plain out for me, plus the character of the locals. Bill's North is quite a bit nicer, and the floor is flat so you can grab some of your brass back with the broom, but the problem remains the same. As such, about all I shoot up there is my Smith 500. Last time I was there, there were three young guys behind me, and with my Dillon electronic muffs I could hear slides snapping home behind me and other ****, and I figured ah what the hell - I'm too EFFEN old to die young, and it's going to take a helll of a lucky shot in a guy my size to kill me outright. And the REAL trump card is in my hand - you plug me with a 9mm - you get a 325 grain 50 caliber slug doing 1500 - 1900 FPS back. I haven't had to say that yet, but I may at some time in the future.

[diskdoctr]

Looks like a case of "Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym." And those who can't teach gym, work for Yeager.[/quote]

Being a teacher I hate remarks like this.....But I have gotten used to it..

[MisterOblivious]

Looks like a case of "Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym." And those who can't teach gym, work for Yeager.

Being a teacher I hate remarks like this.....But I have gotten used to it..

Gym teacher eh?

[aviator]

If I were taking training there and saw that I would likely gather my things and leave. What else are they teaching wrong? Morons!

[White Horseradish]

You know, it's really not that they did some stupid s4. People do stupid s4 all the time. It's that this guy actually defends the stupid s4 they do. Talk about militant a3hattery...

[plblark]

someone's been posting on UF again

[Vlad]

What is UF?

[Pinnacle]

Here is James Yeager's explanation of that...



You just have to love how he mentions there is no way to be completely safe. This is very true but you can greatly increase your safety by not allowing anybody to be in front of the firing line. Man this was just stupid.

OK -

Placing someone in the line of fire and excusing it by calling it stress inoculation or other such terms is well, incorrect. As far as his school training as many as they have without injury thus far - well, that is PURE LUCK.

I would NEVER and I mean NEVER place anyone in the line of fire - some of the training that I have done has placed me in VERY close proximity to others in dynamic situations with guns - shots being fired - but there is a way to do it and a way not to do it. And placing a vid like that one on the internet is not such a good idea.

What he is saying about falling back on the skills that you have mastered is absolutely 100% true (even though the messenger is a complete and total fool) - I think that his message is lost when you compare that to what was filmed. (and his past actions and from what I have found out about this guy - I would not want to be anywhere near him for fear of being collateral damage when his old pals from Iraq come calling and the bill for his f-up is due)

That is some of the most reckless, irresponsible training that I have ever seen. Imagine this for a minute -

You were a student in that class - you are performing an intermediate skill and you are being asked to shoot around a LIVE human - imagine how you would feel as a student being placed in that situation - Let me tell you that I would flat out say NO F'ING way. Now imagine if you went along with it and well, shot that guy? Yikes. No excuses for plain stupidity.

It seems that I have SEEN and read that all this guy knows how to be is an Internet Commando who should likely do some real training of his own.

[R.E.T.]

He can talk all he wants, but if some one has a flyer and nails the photog, its a big whoops.

[TC95GT]

I stopped listening to his explanation right after he said, "we've always been kinda controversial as far as safety goes".

He should have said, "we've always been kinda lucky as far as safety goes".

[White Horseradish]

Isn't it interesting how he is not the photographer?

[Dick Unger]

I rather identify with his comments, less so with what he actually does. Safety is relative, and the examples of how we trust the unknowns on the roadways do contrast with our rather rigid views of how other activities are conducted are things to think about.

We shoot over our own soldiers in training, so they get used to it I guess, but not everyday. Regardless of rules, we trust the unknown persons at the range to some extent.

I suppose we could have"180 rules" for golf spectators too, if it was a new sport sponsered by the government, I bet we would.

But in my experience with shooting, there is sometimes more stuff coming out then just the bullet, and it goes a long ways. Unburned powder, a piece of a metal jacket, foreign object in the barrel, anything. If he is going to test the "everybody else knows" rules, he needs to account for this.

[David]

Context is everything, no? Life isn't black and white; it's gray, and there is very little that is "always" good or bad.

I took a submachinegun course with Ken Hackathorn a few years back, and we did an exercise where we weaved in and out of each other in a line shooting at steel downrange. We also went through shoot houses and other simulators in teams, and routinely shot through 270 degrees while stacked. This was at Gunsite, while Cooper was there. You may all recall that he's the one who generally gets credit for coining the "four rules." Like Dick said above, military units train while shooting past each other, so clearly there is a level of training that justifies the practice.

The video in this thread is ridiculous because a lot of the shooters are obviously noobs and aren't even really sure what they are supposed to be doing. Especially the guy pirouetting while holding his pistol in the Hollywood stance. It's also ridiculous because there isn't anything being gained by having a photographer downrange. Shooting over or around someone who is right next to you, is expecting it, and where both of you have been trained on how to communicate during stuff like that is a little different than shooting at a target with a photographer sitting right next to it.

I wouldn't take a class from this guy because he doesn't seem to get "context." I do, however, believe that a most things are relative.

[Kachad]

I would rather invest in a tripod with a camera that has a timer and\or long remote shutter release ... but hey, that's just me.