NFA issue with CTD?

[FJ540]

Just got my catalog today and noticed their HK G3 trigger groups for sale that have "safe semi full auto" on sale for 60 bucks.

This seems to me is a big hairy "send me to federal pound me in the azz prison" issue if someone were to own one and have the subsequent gun to put it on, is it not?

I'm not familiar enough with the C&R provisions (if that would even apply), but I'm under the impression you'd have constructive intent. No indication of de-milling is in the ad.


For the record - I will not be buying one.

[Bessy]

Just got my catalog today and noticed their HK G3 trigger groups for sale that have "safe semi full auto" on sale for 60 bucks.

This seems to me is a big hairy "send me to federal pound me in the azz prison" issue if someone were to own one and have the subsequent gun to put it on, is it not?

I'm not familiar enough with the C&R provisions (if that would even apply), but I'm under the impression you'd have constructive intent. No indication of de-milling is in the ad.


For the record - I will not be buying one.

Let me preface this with I AM NOT A LAWER. I have however been around the nfa block at least once.

If you own a firearm capable of accepting that trigger group and the atf finds out about yes you could be going to prison. There are technicalities here that are firearms specific and am I not qualified to answer.

For instance in the AK world if you have a semi auto ak and a full auto parts kit they cant (as of the latest court case I know of) throw you in jail because the receiver doesn't have the third axis hole drilled, also most commercial bolt carriers are missing the part that operates the "fun switch"

That being said I wouldn't own an AK clone and order a full auto trigger group, as who knows what some atf agent will suddenly decide is constructive intent.

[Paul]

The real question is what if you were outside of a gas station pumping gas into your car, and you observe what appears to be an armed robbery inside of the store. You retrieve your "carry rifle" from the trunk of your car and shoot the suspect through the windows to heroically save the clerk working inside. What would be the possible legal ramifications since 1) you acted in self defense, and 2) used the rifle equipped with the special trigger.

[ttousi]

The real question is what if you were outside of a gas station pumping gas into your car, and you observe what appears to be an armed robbery inside of the store. You retrieve your "carry rifle" from the trunk of your car and shoot the suspect through the windows to heroically save the clerk working inside. What would be the possible legal ramifications since 1) you acted in self defense, and 2) used the rifle equipped with the special trigger.

The real question is "What would Joe do"

[Paul]

WWJD

[Bessy]

WWJD

Carry a 1911?

[Paul]

WWJD

Carry a 1911?

Probably... He is kinda old I hear.

[FJ540]

I have a cetme, and I'm not sure what steps were taken to eliminate the full auto functionality of the bolt carrier. My trigger group was stamped with a bump that prevents the selector from traveling to the FA region of travel, and there's no cam for giggling.

There's no way in hell I'd own one of those trigger groups, but I am curious why they'd sell them and what likelihood they're being purchased legally. Seems like asking for it.

[White Horseradish]

If you are talking about these, they will not fit onto US-legal semiautos.

Look at the forward part of the lower. See the bump with the pin hole there? US-legal receivers have no place for that part to go and no matching hole for the pin. The only way to make them fit is to do some machine work, and you know what that will get you.

[White Horseradish]

I have a cetme, and I'm not sure what steps were taken to eliminate the full auto functionality of the bolt carrier. My trigger group was stamped with a bump that prevents the selector from traveling to the FA region of travel, and there's no cam for giggling.

There's no way in hell I'd own one of those trigger groups, but I am curious why they'd sell them and what likelihood they're being purchased legally. Seems like asking for it.

If you pull the lower from your CETME you will see the front is completely different. That bump is not the only thing that was changed.

You can buy these legally, but I can't think of any reason why you'd want to.

[Porkie]

The individual parts except for the auto sear and its pin and spring of course, are usable spares for any semi rifle. The trigger group assembly is NOT usable in a semi. The cross pin at the front has already been mentioned: automatics have them; semis don't.

The price on the other hand seems to be somewhat excessive for a handful of parts that probably won't break anyway. If you have a rifle and want a usable backup semi trigger group, those are easily converted. I'd give it a pass though because that stuff is tough to break or wear out. It's an H&K after all. The NFA business is a non-issue unless a fellow tries to do something really stupid.

Don't forget, all those rifles, G3s, M14s, FALs, were withdrawn as automatics and replaced with assault rifles nearly fifty years ago because nobody could manage them anyway. That said, they are dandy semi automatics.

Regards, Porkie

[FJ540]

The modifications you speak of are probably why reassembling it is such a PITA. Getting the housing far enough forward to engage the retaining pins for the buttstock isn't exactly a "snap" like it is with various other guns.

I was all excited when I saw they had furniture kits for 20 bucks, but they're out of stock.