$75.00 / 2 hr class

[bbguns]

Did anyone read this? It is in the Rochester part of C List... BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can remember a few years back, when a few News shows in the Twin Cities had something about a class in bars..... and where ever... is this the same people?

Firearm Carry permit - $75

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Date: 2010-05-06, 2:15PM CDT
Reply to: sale-a2qet-1727788095@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

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This is not a ad to sell firearms or weapons. But rather classes to obtain your permit to carry.

I offer the class to get your MN permit to carry. you need not be a resident of MN to take it. with Iowa's law changing the first of the year there will be over 21+ state that will honor this permit including Iowa. The permit can entitle you to receive other states CCW to increase that total.

Class takes under 2 hours. I am out of the twin cities so I would like groups of 4 per class. you would have to provide a place for the class, can be a home, somewhere with electricity, maybe an office. then a place to shoot.

please email for more info: gary@keimllc.com

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[farmerj]

In a very small class setting with only 4-5 students, especially if they are of the same network of friends. It's possible to cover material in about 2 hours. Often times, they will have had a lot of discussions prior to coming to classes, so a lot of comments are covered quickly and effectively.

I encourage discussion and questions in my classes and as the class size increases, so does the time period due to questions and discussions.

It doesn't mean that information is cut or not discussed. Not that it's a bad thing, but not a good thing. Each setting has it's benefits. Larger classes bring out a more diverse set of questions. Something a small 2-4 person group of friends might not have thought or discussed.

[bbguns]

I dont care how good a teacher you are... you cant teach a class in 2 hr or less.... !! I think most would not want people running around with permits that only had a 2 hr class.... Looks like it's just someone trying to make a FAST BUCK, AGAIN!

[plblark]

I point out in my paid class that the incidents and experience in the states where NO class and NO shooting exercise are required are the same as here. Responsible citizens with permits are NOT a problem. It's the background check that seems to identify the group as safe more than the class.

[ijosef]

That's the guy that taught my class and I liked him as an instructor. There were just four people in my class, although it did take longer than two hours for the whole thing. I talked to other people who've taken CCW permit classes and from what I can tell, there are some pretty shady ones out there though. One of my coworkers said his was a joke. For the shooting part, each student shot the teacher's .22 revolver loaded with .22 shorts into a paper target ten feet away. As long as you could get all the shots on paper you passed. He said the lecture part of the class was as equally goofy.

[mrokern]

It takes me longer than that for the LEGAL section of my class (which, yes, is the largest part).

I can get up in front of folks and read the statutes, say, "have fun", and call it a class in 2 hours...

I'm not getting into the statistics. The law says what must be taught, and until that changes, I'm going to teach it.

-Mark

[1911fan]

The law says what must be taught, and until that changes, I'm going to teach it.

-Mark

Just what does the law spell out that must be covered.

[justaguy]

I think most would not want people running around with permits that only had a 2 hr class.... Looks like it's just someone trying to make a FAST BUCK, AGAIN!

I think when you turn 18 you should be able to carry any where and every where. Second Amendment Rights shouldn't end when I get on a plane, enter a school, court house or daycare. So I think a two hour class is about 2 and half hours to long.

[mnglocker]

I think most would not want people running around with permits that only had a 2 hr class.... Looks like it's just someone trying to make a FAST BUCK, AGAIN!

I think when you turn 18 you should be able to carry any where and every where. Second Amendment Rights shouldn't end when I get on a plane, enter a school, court house or daycare. So I think a two hour class is about 2 and half hours to long.

Hells bells, in Montana the age is 14.

[farmerj]

I dont care how good a teacher you are... you cant teach a class in 2 hr or less.... !! I think most would not want people running around with permits that only had a 2 hr class.... Looks like it's just someone trying to make a FAST BUCK, AGAIN!

I'd argue that point until the cows come home and I would still not agree with you.

I am there to teach someone about the legal aspects of carrying with a permit.

If someone has hunted, tells me they had to sit in on a LONG firearms safety course. Guess what. I am not gonna beat that dead horse. Eyes start to glaze over and you loose the class.

I am not there to teach someone to shoot. I tell them that straight out before they even come to class. If that's what they expect, then we need to schedule time before the class to teach them to shoot.

My class is tailored specifically to teach one thing and one thing only. The laws around carrying with a permit. Use of force, when and where they can and cannot carry.

Nothing wrong with showing them the difference between a revolver and a pistol.

But there is also a more important tenet that is put out before someone even shows up.

Carrying a pistol is deadly serious. I don't care WHO you are. I would be MORE scared of someone saying they can teach you EVERYTHING you need to know in a 6-8 hour class than someone who will teach the legal aspects of carrying in a 2 hour class.

I would even take a two hour class before an 8 hour class.

How long is firearm safety? It's 12 hours. I even recommend to my students that if they don't have it, they do it anyway. For adults it's self-study and on-line. All they need to do is find someone to do the shooting with. They'll learn a hell of a lot more in those 12 hours than what I can cover in 30 minutes on the subject.

How long does it take to PROPERLY teach someone to shoot a pistol? At least 2-3 DAYS for a basic beginner. This is covering positions, technique, reloads, movements and other things.

How long does it take to cover laws and the legal aspect? In a controlled class room, with a minimum of students (4-6), 2 hours. As the classes increase in size, you can add another 20-30 minutes for each pair of students for questions and discussions. Especially if they are a mixed group from areas all over. But sooner or later, the material needs to be held to a training outline and schedule. If it's not covered in 4-5 hours, I'd have to ask what's being added to confuse the material.

Confirming someone can safely handle a firearm? Should take no more than 5 minutes each person. As was said, carrying with a permit is deadly serious. By the time you get to this point in the game, you had best know what you are doing and what you are getting into. It's just a level of consciousness that you are going through.

so again.....

I would give more credence to an instructor who can teach a permit class in 2 hours than I can or would to someone in 6-8 hours. It's likely to be more specific to carrying and the facts around it that to a class that tries to pack in so much stuff that a person goes home more dazed and confused and feeling overwhelmed.

Carrying is such that it's not something you just do. It's a learning process and I try to instill that in anyone that talks to me about it. Learn gun safety long before you talk to me about carrying. Learn how to handle that weapon as well. Learn how it functions. How to maintain it. These are the minimum I think a person should do before they take a legal issues classes to get a permit. Once they get to this aspect, it's now a mind set issue. Are you READY to KILL someone if you have to? It's the start of an awakening that comes from the permit class. From there, more advanced training starts to kick in and people willing go to the next level on their own.

All we have to do as instructors is shed the light and hold the door.

[pastorpaul]

i concur with farmerj.

[farmerj]

I think most would not want people running around with permits that only had a 2 hr class.... Looks like it's just someone trying to make a FAST BUCK, AGAIN!

I think when you turn 18 you should be able to carry any where and every where. Second Amendment Rights shouldn't end when I get on a plane, enter a school, court house or daycare. So I think a two hour class is about 2 and half hours to long.

I actually agree with you on that part.....

But it doesn't magically appear at age 18 either....

[Mo_the_Mouse]

It has been a while since I taught a class. I just don't see how you can get through all of the material, even briefly, in two hours. Maybe some can, but I know I can't.

[plblark]

I _could_ get through it. I don't think I could do it very well and I know there's a LOT more than just reading the statute.