My First CCW Badge

[mnmike59]

I went running around Cleary lake park this morning and came across a guy, 70ish there about and he was rockin the CCW Badge. If I was walking I might have said something smart, But I was running so I didn't really have time. His shirt was tucked in with the badge on his belt.

[Thunder71]

Good for him, at 70 I'm just glad to see him out and about and enjoying life, and his exercising his right to carry.

[SparkyJeff]

If I was walking I might have said something smart, But I was running so I didn't really have time.

So many people running in this forum.

[Thunder71]

I would, but I gave my treadmill away last week and our road is broken - it doesn't move.

[12smile]

This is just a theory.....

But my guess is that the origin of the CCW Badge is in the South...From Flordia to Texas. (CCW

badges, or anything similar, are specifically banned in New Mexico, I've read the statute)

They were a decade ahead of the rest of the country in having 'Shall Issue' laws if I'm correct.

And Permit Holders who would have wanted to open carry could achieve the same effect and

still be legal in their state.

Any legitimate use of 'The Badge" ?

If you factor out the Mall Ninja...maybe a guy who runs a garage / liquor store / pharmacy who wants to

communicate non-verbally to a thug that he's armed / won't roll over.

At 70, (I'm 60) the guy is at the end of his life expectancy...he's got a few good years left and a

medium level assault could easily be life threatening if he's in perfect health for his age...

Some Fourm Members may rember the "Lake Phalen Assault" of 2-3 years ago of a woman walking

around Lake Phalen (east St. Paul...stay away) She was a cancer patient on Chemotherapy and

walking around Lake Phalen minimized her nauseau...she was attacked randomly BY THREE THUGS

WITH BASEBALL BATS...here's an excerpt from the Trib:

http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/26268039.html

Relatives, friends, neighbors and even strangers gathered Monday for a candlelight vigil for a woman with cancer who was beaten with baseball bats at a St. Paul lake last week.

But before the candles could be lighted, police took three juveniles into custody after a similar attack involving bats just east of the lake. Two people who were walking near the lake had minor injuries in that incident, which happened just before the vigil. They did not require hospitalization.

Late Monday, St. Paul police said they had arrested four additional people in connection with the second attack. The four were spotted in a car in the area of the assault and a gun was found in their car, police said.

Police said they did not know whether the two assaults were related but were investigating that possibility.

While some were shaken upon hearing about the second attack, many of the nearly 50 people in attendance appeared even more motivated in their walk from a church to the spot where the woman, identified only as Tammie, was brutally beaten late Friday while walking along Lake Phalen.

"She's amazing and happy to be alive," said Linda Nelson, sister-in-law of the victim, a mother of two who was diagnosed with cancer two years ago. "She didn't let that disease take her out, and she wouldn't let those who beat her, either."

Tammie's hands and her left forearm were broken in Friday's attack and her left middle finger was severed, Nelson said. Her attackers are still at large.

"She's a little angry, but mostly hurt. She's a survivor," Nelson said about Tammie, who is recuperating at home.

If the equation is 'WALKING AROUND LAKE PHALEN IS A LIFE THREATENING ACTIVITY' then your

tactics can be....ANYTHING YOU WANT.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/13467913

Here is a LECTURE by Ted Nugent on Armed American Radio (7-10 pm on 1280 am) (Nugent comes

on at 7:50 minutes in the stream) where he argues that OPEN CARRY IS SUICIDE...I carry

concealed 99.999 % of the time. The only time I carry openly (Full Sized Glock instead of normal

pocket pistol)is when biking in Minneapolis on Bike Paths that run through secluded areas.

Maybe the message of the "OLD MAN" is "I'm on a hair trigger MO-FO" At 70 I'm not going to

substitue my judgment for his.

[traveler]

I was trying to think up something that would equal or surpass the CCW badge's stupidity level.


I was unable to think of anything. CCW badges have to top the list.

[12smile]

I was trying to think up something that would equal or surpass the CCW badge's stupidity level.


I was unable to think of anything. CCW badges have to top the list.

Walking around Lake Phalen un-armed?

[traveler]

I would love to hear what explanations for displaying the badge would be uttered on the witness stand after a person defended themselves with their permitted firearm.

Sir, were you attempting to impersonate an officer?

Sir, why did you not carry a sign saying "Do not both me, I have a gun" rather than displaying a badge that simulates a police badge to such a high degree?

etc.

[12smile]

New Mexcio requires concealment AND prohibits ANY type of badge, insignia, button that indicates you are carrying a concealed pistol. A post it note on your forehead saying "I'm carrying a gun' would be prohibited.

The TeenBoys who do 'Loss Prevention" at Target have Scary Brass Badges.

[jgalt]

Good for him, at 70 I'm just glad to see him out and about and enjoying life, and his exercising his right to carry.

[jgalt]

4 pages of info & discussion on the below-referenced assault from 2008... => http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=4568&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p47204

Some Fourm Members may rember the "Lake Phalen Assault" of 2-3 years ago of a woman walking

around Lake Phalen (east St. Paul...stay away) She was a cancer patient on Chemotherapy and

walking around Lake Phalen minimized her nauseau...she was attacked randomly BY THREE THUGS

WITH BASEBALL BATS...here's an excerpt from the Trib:

http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/26268039.html

Relatives, friends, neighbors and even strangers gathered Monday for a candlelight vigil for a woman with cancer who was beaten with baseball bats at a St. Paul lake last week.

But before the candles could be lighted, police took three juveniles into custody after a similar attack involving bats just east of the lake. Two people who were walking near the lake had minor injuries in that incident, which happened just before the vigil. They did not require hospitalization.

Late Monday, St. Paul police said they had arrested four additional people in connection with the second attack. The four were spotted in a car in the area of the assault and a gun was found in their car, police said.

Police said they did not know whether the two assaults were related but were investigating that possibility.

While some were shaken upon hearing about the second attack, many of the nearly 50 people in attendance appeared even more motivated in their walk from a church to the spot where the woman, identified only as Tammie, was brutally beaten late Friday while walking along Lake Phalen.

"She's amazing and happy to be alive," said Linda Nelson, sister-in-law of the victim, a mother of two who was diagnosed with cancer two years ago. "She didn't let that disease take her out, and she wouldn't let those who beat her, either."

Tammie's hands and her left forearm were broken in Friday's attack and her left middle finger was severed, Nelson said. Her attackers are still at large.

"She's a little angry, but mostly hurt. She's a survivor," Nelson said about Tammie, who is recuperating at home.

If the equation is 'WALKING AROUND LAKE PHALEN IS A LIFE THREATENING ACTIVITY' then your

tactics can be....ANYTHING YOU WANT.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/13467913

[Snowgun]

[ttousi]

BTW Lake Phalen Tammie passed away Dec 2010. Cancer finally got her.

[JoeH]

His shirt was tucked in with the badge on his belt.

Was it on his belt or was it a bolo tie?

[12smile]

Sorry to hear that. I know you are a relative. That shocked a lot of people.

Personally I started carrying when Dru Sjodin was in the news. Seriously, my level of outrage was so high, I WENT OUT AND BOUGHT A GUN.

As I followed the story, I said, "they're going to find her body in a ditch when the snow melts in April"
and that's what happened.

Purchased Firearm in Fall of 2003 / Permit arrived March 2004 / Dru Sjodin's body discovered on April 17, 2004 / Carrying 24/7 since.

The Dru Sjodin case was the Straw the Broke the Camels Back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Dru_Sjodin

Sjodin's body was recovered on April 17, 2004 just west of Crookston, Minnesota when deep snow drifts began to melt. Crookston is also where Rodriguez lived with his mother. Sjodin's body was found partially nude and face down in a ravine. Her hands were tied behind her back and she had been beaten, stabbed, sexually assaulted, and had several lacerations including a five and a half inch cut on her neck. A rope was also tied around her neck and remnants of a shopping bag were found under the rope suggesting that a bag had been placed on her head. The medical examiner concluded that she had either died as a result of the major neck wound, from suffocation, or from exposure to the elements. Thousands of people had helped search for the young woman and hundreds attended her funeral.

It was alleged Sjodin was brought across state lines, so the trial was held in federal court, which meant that Rodriguez was eligible to receive the death penalty if convicted, a possibility not allowed under North Dakota or Minnesota law. On August 30, 2006, Rodriguez was found guilty in Sjodin's death and on September 22, 2006, he was sentenced to the death penalty.

So.....if I see a young woman on a dark bike path w/ a CCW Badge, I'm giving her a thumbs up