How to sell

[Oaktree]

Could someone lead me to the legal method to sell a handgun in MN? I have searched and can't find definitive...4437, PTP... Thanks for your help.
From what I have found it is a major pain in the ass.

[JJ]

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=11498

[rukwikenuf]

Its your gun, right? You can sell it to whoever you want. Most sellers want a PTP or PTC and a driver's license. The make copies and write up a bill of sale. The buyer doesn't have to legally be 21 or have a PTP or PTC. However I think its wise. A "gentleman's contract" is sufficient (ie, handshake).

[Oaktree]

Its your gun, right? You can sell it to whoever you want. Most sellers want a PTP or PTC and a driver's license. The make copies and write up a bill of sale. The buyer doesn't have to legally be 21 or have a PTP or PTC. However I think its wise. A "gentleman's contract" is sufficient (ie, handshake).

Yes, my gun and purchased new. I will stick to a PTP or PTC then.

[rukwikenuf]

i'd reccommend getting some things for your computer, a scanner and a printer. write up a quick Bill of Sale ("I, John Doe, am selling a Glock model 19, serial #12345678 to Jane Doe, drivers license #H123-345-5678") then get a signature from him and give him yours. print two copies, and copy his DL and PTP/PTC for your records. you could also talk to your local PD to see what they say to do

[JJ]

i'd reccommend getting some things for your computer, a scanner and a printer. write up a quick Bill of Sale ("I, John Doe, am selling a Glock model 19, serial #12345678 to Jane Doe, drivers license #H123-345-5678") then get a signature from him and give him yours. print two copies, and copy his DL and PTP/PTC for your records. you could also talk to your local PD to see what they say to do

or just read the thread i posted. ANd download the bill of sale off there.

[dimachico]

better question.... what are you selling? and are you willing to make a mnguntalk discount?

[rukwikenuf]

better question.... what are you selling? and are you willing to make a mnguntalk discount?

yeah, like 50% off?!!!

[MrVvrroomm]

Ask to see buyer's valid MN driver's license or state issued ID, ask him if he's prohibited by law from owning a handgun. He says NO, I am not. He hands you cash. You hand him gun. You shake hands and drive off. Done.

Anything anyone else tells you is ********.

[Erud]

Ask to see buyer's valid MN driver's license or state issued ID, ask him if he's prohibited by law from owning a handgun. He says NO, I am not. He hands you cash. You hand him gun. You shake hands and drive off. Done.

Anything anyone else tells you is ********.

This. The bill of sale thing bugs the crap out of me. Why should I give personal info like a copy of my DL to random guy from the Internet to do God knows what with when the law does not require it? Why impose silly, made-up restrictions on each other to do something that's perfectly legal and moral? We are already made to jump through enough pointless hoops to own and use guns that I see no need to add any more ourselves. I'll show you my valid license and permit so you can verify who I am but that's it.

[Anokamnman]

Ask to see buyer's valid MN driver's license or state issued ID, ask him if he's prohibited by law from owning a handgun. He says NO, I am not. He hands you cash. You hand him gun. You shake hands and drive off. Done.

Anything anyone else tells you is ********.

This. The bill of sale thing bugs the crap out of me. Why should I give personal info like a copy of my DL to random guy from the Internet to do God knows what with when the law does not require it? Why impose silly, made-up restrictions on each other to do something that's perfectly legal and moral? We are already made to jump through enough pointless hoops to own and use guns that I see no need to add any more ourselves. I'll show you my valid license and permit so you can verify who I am but that's it.

Couldn't agree more.

[photogpat]

The other posters are correct -- a handshake and a question is the minimum, and I wouldn't profess to tell someone else what to do within the law...but...its a matter of what's legal, and whats a good idea.

Have you got the cash, proof, or time to defend yourself in a trial when that guy you sold the gun to gives/sells it to his cousin, who uses it to rob a little old lady at Target -- getting caught by the cops, who then trace the gun, via serial number (or fingerprints), back to you?

IMHO - seeing an in-state ID, a valid PTC/PTP, and Bill of Sale gives you that proof, and if you think there's enough info on someone's DL to steal their identity, you need to loosen your tinfoil a bit. With a little work, and a little lying, you can look up people's D/L #'s and addresses via DMV website, and criminal record via BCA website.

Anything else sale-wise, and you risk showing up on another one of Bloomberg's sting videos. I'm reasonably certain that Heather/Joan & Co. are making one in MN presently as well...

[OldmanFCSA]

If you've ever had the FBI show up and ask about a gun you've owned in the past, who you sold it to, do you have documentation to verify its legal sale, was it sold legally, did you ask the right questions of the buyer, you will be glad you have the bill of sale. A rifle I had in the past was used to shoot a Federal Marshal in Idaho. no questions please.

[farmerj]

The other posters are correct -- a handshake and a question is the minimum, and I wouldn't profess to tell someone else what to do within the law...but...its a matter of what's legal, and whats a good idea.

Have you got the cash, proof, or time to defend yourself in a trial when that guy you sold the gun to gives/sells it to his cousin, who uses it to rob a little old lady at Target -- getting caught by the cops, who then trace the gun, via serial number (or fingerprints), back to you?

IMHO - seeing an in-state ID, a valid PTC/PTP, and Bill of Sale gives you that proof, and if you think there's enough info on someone's DL to steal their identity, you need to loosen your tinfoil a bit. With a little work, and a little lying, you can look up people's D/L #'s and addresses via DMV website, and criminal record via BCA website.

Anything else sale-wise, and you risk showing up on another one of Bloomberg's sting videos. I'm reasonably certain that Heather/Joan & Co. are making one in MN presently as well...

Please....

Explain how they will be able to trace it back to you? Did you register your gun with the state? the Feds? If so, how do you register your gun with either party?

[photogpat]

Please....

Explain how they will be able to trace it back to you? Did you register your gun with the state? the Feds? If so, how do you register your gun with either party?

GO ahead and Google the FY2007 Tiahrt Amendment -- I'll wait....

If you underwent a NICS check for the original sale, you're in the database whether you like it or not. Authorized Law Enforcement are able request firearm sale tracing data from the FBI via the Serial #. Original sale, original buyer....original buyer fingers subsequent buyer (if necessary)...etc etc etc ....pretty soon there's a knock at your door.

...and if you've EVER been fingerprinted, you're in the database. Didya wipe that gun down carefully before you sold it...all the mags and internals too?

IMHO, its much easier to have a backup for the knock on the door....of course your opinion will be different.