Punisher102 wrote:
1: OK guys and gals we need to take action. First it was the MOA banning guns but now I see that the Burnsville mall is also banning them.
WTF? Are public malls no longer public?
They are leased properties and according to MN statute 624.714 landlords may not restrict the lawful carry or possession of firearms by tenants or their guests.
2: How do we get these malls to take down the signs and stop violating our right to carry in public?
3: OR do we as card holders simply disregard the signs and shop as we please.
4: Only to force them (mall officials and or police) to ask us to leave?
1. The malls have always had this signage, ever since the MPPA went into effect. You're just a n00b who recently got his permit and finally noticed the signs 9 years later.
2. The only reason you feel this way is that you just got your permit, now you think you're God, and how dare somebody violate your rights. This sense of rage is something that exists in your head, and your head ONLY, and the rest of us have better things to do with our life than foam at the mouth over some petty legal technicality.
3. The answer is YES. You ignore the signage in the malls, and anywhere else except places like the Capitol, Federal Property, and schools where it really is illegal to carry, and go about your life as you see fit. Don't want to patronize certain places who post? That's fine, people do this regularly. Want to send a letter to the business telling them that they're losing money with that sign, and there are 100,000 people in this state whose business they are not getting? That's fine, and people do this regularly. Just one thing: Please don't use crayon, bad grammar, or incorrect spelling in your letter and make the rest of us look like idiots.
4: This doesn't happen, has never happened except to Bruce Krafft in that one instance, and isn't going to happen unless you open carry and have a boom box on your shoulder turned up to full volume to draw attention to yourself. I've known Bruce for many years, he's a nice guy, but he is freaking humongous to the point that he does draw attention, so people see IF he's openly carrying a gun. If you look relatively normal, you can carry concealed in the most sloppy, inept manner possible and NOBODY will notice.
And as someone who attended the Lake Harriet Open Carry picnics about 5 or 6 years ago on Sunday afternoons when it was packed with yuppies and soccer moms, I can tell you from
actual experience that 90% of the people around you will not notice the gun on you if you are so used to carrying that wearing a gun is no different than wearing a pair of glasses.
SO: All this rage is something that's in your head, and ONLY your head, and the rest of us either never felt that way or got over it a long time ago and got on with our lives. You want a sense of injustice and rage? Try being an adult with a handgun who wanted to carry for 30+ years in Minnesota but didn't because it was illegal, and was a crime that had actual penalties that meant something. And you're getting bent out of shape about some signs that don't affect anybody in the State but you and a few other new n00bs? Oh boo-hoo....
The comments about harassing mall owners and getting us in trouble are right on, and the comments about needing deep pockets if you want to push the issue are also right on. The case in point was one of the pioneers in the legal carry movement (Joel Rosenbaum), who after he had succumbed to the dementia associated with poorly managed diabetes, attempted a confrontation (with un-noticed video cameras rolling) by open carrying in a Hennepin County building that was technically not restricted according to Joel's interpretation, and he wound up getting charged and his bail was set at $100,000, which he didn't expect, and could not afford.
So: get a year of two of carry experience, and then make a decision about whether this is really a horrible opression of your legal rights like you think it is right now, and quit wasting bandwidth on this board. And don't bother replying, because you're now on my Ignore list. I'll never see another post you make.
