worth it? SRM Model 1216 semi-auto 12 gauge

[falgore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tnuWf0xP20

OK, in principle I am drooling over this bugger.

Question is how solid of a performer is it? Heavy use durability and accuracy wise?

Thinking in terms of nobody messing with my castle. or heavy use at the range.

Look out deer hee he especially the person who is waiting in ambush when doing deer "push" parties.

I know one of the push parties I been on, we had 3 go by my uncle and he got the first two but ran out of ammo lost the 3rd. There were 5 of us working that one. Pushing a valley. If my uncle had had this 12ga we would have bagged all 3.

Anyone who thinks its unfair disadvantage for deer, consider this, our cows we eat or any other farm raised animals we eat. Cows have absolutely no chance what so ever. once we decide to eat it.

[Paul]

http://www.elementarms.com/SRM-Model-12 ... otgun.html

It's $2,400.... Worth it? I guess that depends if you can afford it. Since you're looking at this for a range toy and hunting shotgun, I'm guessing you're doing better than I am.

[Ranger01]

How the hell could you even begin to afford this thing if you are "damn near going to be homeless" buying a $700 Remington?

Also, why on gods green earth would you need 16 rounds of 12ga to go deer hunting? (not saying that you shouldn't be able to use it, but it's impractical, and if you need 16 shots to kill 3 deer there's something wrong.)

[2in2out]

I think he was merely pointing out a cool gun, which it is.

The shotgun I thought was the bees knees was that full auto thing R. Lee Ermey demo'd on one of his TV shows. "Give me this shotgun!" he said, and I was nodding when he said it. I think FPSRussia also demo'd it - pulled it out of a barrel of water and started blasting.

[Grandpa Rex]

Drool all you want, you are entitled.

I agree very nice model.

However, You would probably be wise to choose a couple of dedicated use shotguns instead. Having one shotgun that does it all leaves you in the lurch if it ever breaks down. Having two or three leaves you the option of staying protected if your HD shotgun goes down.

High end guns, in my opinion, become less of a tool and more a protected baby. You end up working so hard to protect it that you lose the enjoyment of the activity.

Is this gun high end? No-- compared to sporting clay shotguns i have seen and read about. Compared to my arsenal, yes.

Remember what you paid for this opinion, but I would buy a HD gun, a deerslayer, and a clays gun for that money and be perfectly happy.

[Heffay]

He didn't say anything about buying it. Just that it's cool.

And frankly, I can't argue with that point one single bit.

[falgore]

Drool all you want, you are entitled.

I agree very nice model.

However, You would probably be wise to choose a couple of dedicated use shotguns instead. Having one shotgun that does it all leaves you in the lurch if it ever breaks down. Having two or three leaves you the option of staying protected if your HD shotgun goes down.

High end guns, in my opinion, become less of a tool and more a protected baby. You end up working so hard to protect it that you lose the enjoyment of the activity.

Is this gun high end? No-- compared to sporting clay shotguns i have seen and read about. Compared to my arsenal, yes.

Remember what you paid for this opinion, but I would buy a HD gun, a deerslayer, and a clays gun for that money and be perfectly happy.

I like the gun in principle because of the fact you do not have 1 long tube of 12 rounds or a rotary snail clip that can jam frequently. Wasn't aware it cost 2400$ which goes to show, I had not intended to buy it. I also like the fact that they finally came out with one that had a tube style removable clip, that built off the reliable tube stile magazines.

Now regarding of several guns. Yes I am of limited income, thus is why I was looking for the 1 fit several purposes. Dedicated deer rifle that could be converted by swapping the barrel for home defense when not in use during hunting season.

I am fully in your boat, when you have the money, for multiple firearms. This is the route I Would have taken if life circumstances had been different.

1. If I had the money then I would probably go with this for home defense. SRM Model 1216 semi-auto 12 gauge
2. A Glock 45 ACP for close in home defense and carry and critter defense in the woods.
3. A pump action 22lr for pesky critters, small game. lefty which is why choose pump over bolt(easier to find parts for repairs than it is for a lefty), even though would prefer bolt for long life durability.
4 The 870 SPS super slug SKU 82101 dedicated deer rifle for 12ga only hunting areas
5. rem pump action 30-06 built off the 870 receiver. for long range take down and militia(being invaded or repelling tyranny). again because of lefty and repair issues with limited parts.

No bird guns because of their importance in maintaining habitats by seeding plants afar. for People that have no idea what I am talking about...You know, poo the seeds out, causing new plants to grow at considerable distance from the seed source. I am a conservationist. number 1 could probably take care of that in a pinch if need too.

I simply made the list to point out to this poster I had considered his point about multiple dedicated guns for various jobs previously.
All though I personally have not had good luck with anything that was considered cheap, at the time of purchase, due to inferior material and designs used to cut cost. like your 100-300$ long guns and pistols+. so I am going with higher quality dedicated deer gun that can do a OK job for home defense, when not in hunting season by swapping to a mossberg http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/mos ... 13793.html USED for example. powerful spot light can be mounted on bottom without having to get all the extra crap for rail mountings and such. Only thing did not like about it was the lack of space for the 3 round extended magazine. It will help keeping cost down though.


This thread is not to get turned into another pick me apart thread and make it about me.

[Rip Van Winkle]

Cool shotgun, I'll give the BATF a year before they ban it.

[tazdevil]

Falgore, just a suggestion/question. Have you considered a 870? They are extraordinarily convertable to many different guns with the same receiver, just barrel, stock, tube changes to do what you want. One minute a duck/pheasant/turkey gun, next deer, then short barrel for home defense, then competition style (either multi/3gun, or clays). It's one gun with many faces, and just requires buying extras when you want to change its "demeanor" for lack of better word. Plus they're one of the most reliable platforms, particularly the wingmaster, but even a express does well.

[falgore]

How the hell could you even begin to afford this thing if you are "damn near going to be homeless" buying a $700 Remington?

Also, why on gods green earth would you need 16 rounds of 12ga to go deer hunting? (not saying that you shouldn't be able to use it, but it's impractical, and if you need 16 shots to kill 3 deer there's something wrong.)

I meant in terms of it has, more than 4+1, and the deer were not standing still or bounding in straight lines here, rugged valley. 5 rounds for 2 deer here is quite reasonable. 6-7 shots for the 3 and if there had been 4 the other rounds would have been there if needed. We have BIG herds in this area, in access of 50 in single group.(I personally witnessed 1 of those herds there were 67, It stuck because never seen anything like it in the wild.)) Our drives are in real rugged country not open plains were there is nowhere for the deer to hide. My uncle doesn't take unethical shots, But he does keep firing till they are down to ensure we do not loose a deer from a long run, where they have chance to hide before falling dead, which causes the loss of the deer for nothing. Not to mention we can't afford them to run distance, being it butts up against game preserves where we are not allowed to trespass. They run there, they are just wasted meat, that is unethical. A lot of times it is the 1st shot that kills them and they are on auto pilot running that is why we do follow up shots in drives.

In a stand by yourself, with no one pushing, I agree 16 is too much unless your party hunting in earshot range. we listen for number of shots fired and assume they hit 1 per, so the others know not to shoot too many deer, if party of 4 stand hunting, 4 shots tells everyone to gather to see if it was actually 4 deer if not we move location or go back to our spots. work as a team to fill everyone's tag.

I could turn around and say," why do you need a car when a bicycle can do the same job and is a hell of a lot cheaper?"

answerer to your question is "I NEED TO EAT" (I don't just mean 1 meal, I mean a lifetime) I am a lefty And have severe hearing loss )I have to adapt to compensate those things by hitting farther out. using a lesser gun than a dedicated rifle decreases your chance of hitting your target due to crappy accuracy at 100 yards plus. So using a cheap 870 express smooth-bore is unethical at those ranges but using a dedicated rifle 12ga is ethical and increases you will actually bag something especially when your making noise like I am due to the hearing loss. Other options of getting food from donations and such is disappearing as time gets harder. Meaning I have to find food or I am screwed. Would you rather I earn it or would you rather I steal it? Don't answer that just think about it. I would rather earn it, Its more in lines with my moral and ethic levels. Also I didn't waste my money on the luxury crap like cable like other poor people do. That money got put away for things like the 870 super slug because it can actually help me put food on table for myself, when I can't get help anywhere else, This is not an exaggeration about lack of help.

When people read my reasoning stop and think, first your not in my shoes, you have not been through the denial for basic help, i have applied for, you don't have dietary restrictions I do, Good chance you do not have the disadvantages I have, that need to be compensated for to bee an ethical hunter or simply survive. I know how to survive on less with practical experiences, where others with higher incomes, have no idea how Poor people succeed when people of higher income do not have the needed skills to do The same kind of surviving the poor do. Watch this to put into context of you trying to do what I do or not being able to fathom how I do it. http://www.tv.com/shows/30-days/minimum-wage-425972/ And despite all the **** in my life, that would of caused a normal person to suicide by 8th grade, I am still here, I am a hardcore survivor who managed to hang onto his moral and ethical beliefs despite everything. I am surviving and that is what is important to me. Buying cheap now does not equate to being cheaper in the long run. Knowing this is one of the skills I have from being poor, that others do not realize .
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DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS OR IT WILL SIDE TRACK THE THREAD, WHICH I DO NOT WANT TO HAPPEN. I answered you because you deserved an answer and there are other people wondering the same thing.

[falgore]

Falgore, just a suggestion/question. Have you considered a 870? They are extraordinarily convertable to many different guns with the same receiver, just barrel, stock, tube changes to do what you want. One minute a duck/pheasant/turkey gun, next deer, then short barrel for home defense, then competition style (either multi/3gun, or clays). It's one gun with many faces, and just requires buying extras when you want to change its "demeanor" for lack of better word. Plus they're one of the most reliable platforms, particularly the wingmaster, but even a express does well.

870 model 82101 one want to buy and most likely to get, but people thinking that its too expensive for me. if bought and after transfer fees it would be $712ish add 30dollar gun case. Think of this as deer version of wingmaster.

When I was talking about the mossberg used barrel in previous post that was for the 870 model 82101 when it is not being used as a dedicated deer rifle 12ga.

The one this thread was about a gun, if I had money would be a dream gun come true the DROOLING aspect. refereed about in first post.

anyway I am out of here for now and please keep this topic on this gun I have another thread about the 870 I think NOT RELATED TO THE SERIAL NUMBER FROM VENDORS THREAD. I refuse to go into that hornet nest after getting the answer about using the factory SKU# in searches.

[goett047]

So you are allowed to derail a thread but not others?

[67camaro]

If your uncle had a Saiga 12 with a 20 round drum he would have got all three and not had to worry about rotating that forearm.
Pic for good measure.

[crbutler]

I've used a modified Saiga 12 for varmint (pigeon) killing. I would in no way call this hunting. This is a modified for open division (3 gun) with 12 or 20 round stick mags- as long as the mag well is tight, and you are using a shell with enough pressure to work the action, its absolutely reliable. But it requires continuous preventative maintenance.

I have shot 40 some pigeons out of one flock with this gun (takes a mag change or two) so I think it works pretty well. On the other hand, fully loaded its pretty near 10-11#. Trying to swing something with 2 boxes of shells hanging from it doesn't work real well, either.

I know lots of 3 gun shooters are getting the rotary tube mag extensions as well now. Near as I can tell, they all require a little playing with to get the bugs worked out, and then they seem to work fine. This is the first I have seen of a replaceable mag rotary mag. I personally think that kind of gun is liable to give you more trouble than it is worth, especially now that there is a Remington 1100 style internal box mag shotgun out now.

Way back when I would put extended mag tubes on my pheasant guns, take extra clips with deer hunting, etc. It always caused more trouble than it was worth. The ammo made noise in the gun, the thing was heavy, and I didn't really kill any more birds than I did without the contraptions. Also, your buddies get a little annoyed that it takes you 5 minutes to unload and reload at every fence you have to cross.

Given the primary attribute of a self defense gun, all these rube goldberg contraptions are out- it has to be reliable without needing TLC.

I also will leave the area if someone is doing a deer drive. I have been almost shot more times than I would like to count being in the vicinity of these. They are shooting at a running target, generally from the ground, usually with less than absolutely steady guys shooting. Muzzle control is debatable with some of these folks (especially the kids...) You also get lots of wounded deer, which no one seems to find, at least quickly. If I was worried about my meat, I sure as heck would not do drives- adrenalin filled venison with a coloform chaser just does not appeal, and would hardly qualify as healthy table fare. The idea of having a high cap gun so you could clean up on drives is rather poor form, IMO.

[Stradawhovious]

So you are allowed to derail a thread but not others?

He certainly does like to bark orders, doesn't he?