Username000 wrote:Okay, I don't mean to sound paranoid, but isn't having to get NICS almost as bad as requiring registered firearms? Doesn't it put up some red flag "oh, Username000 (not my real name obviously) bought a gun, we'll keep that in our records for later."
Username000 wrote:Okay, I don't mean to sound paranoid, but isn't having to get NICS almost as bad as requiring registered firearms? Doesn't it put up some red flag "oh, Username000 (not my real name obviously) bought a gun, we'll keep that in our records for later."?
Hmac wrote:Username000 wrote:Okay, I don't mean to sound paranoid, but isn't having to get NICS almost as bad as requiring registered firearms? Doesn't it put up some red flag "oh, Username000 (not my real name obviously) bought a gun, we'll keep that in our records for later."?
NICS identifying data is destroyed after 18 months (or two years, or something). The FBI is statutorily prohibited from retaining it as any kind of de facto gun registration scheme.
If you want to be worried about registration, worry about the 4473 you fill out. Your FFL has to keep those around for 20 years, make them available for inspection by the ATF, and they can be subpoenaed.
NMRMN wrote:Also, how would universal background checks be enforced without a "actual" registry?
Username000 wrote:I was worried about the 4473 as well, just forgot to mention it.
texasprowler wrote:NMRMN wrote:Also, how would universal background checks be enforced without a "actual" registry?
Undercover stings come to mind, like with underage alcohol purchases.
NMRMN wrote:Username000 wrote:I was worried about the 4473 as well, just forgot to mention it.
Sorry, I was speaking to BATF form 4473 as well...
Username000 wrote:I was worried about the 4473 as well, just forgot to mention it.
Hmac wrote:Username000 wrote:I was worried about the 4473 as well, just forgot to mention it.
The point above is valid, however, in that private sales (in this state...so far) aren't tracked in any way. No 4473, no NICS check.
Username000 wrote:Hmac wrote:Username000 wrote:I was worried about the 4473 as well, just forgot to mention it.
The point above is valid, however, in that private sales (in this state...so far) aren't tracked in any way. No 4473, no NICS check.
Yeah, but it's tough to get a brand new firearm in a private sale unless it's a straw purchase, but that's bad.
texasprowler wrote:Seems to me they could just require a PTP or PTC for all transfers, universal background covered. But I think they are looking for something more intrusive.
texasprowler wrote:Seems to me they could just require a PTP or PTC for all transfers, universal background covered. But I think they are looking for something more intrusive.
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