New resident with a few questions

View · by **srommes** on Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:06 am

I would just like to say hello to everyone. It's good to be back in the great state of Minnesota after living in Las Vegas the last thirteen years.
Let me preface this by saying I have looked all over the internet and I can't seem to find an answer to this question. I currently hold a NV driver's license and both NV and UT concealed weapons permits, so I can legally carry concealed in MN. My question is this : When I surrender my NV driver's license to obtain a MN driver's license, will I still be legal to carry concealed in MN with my NV and UT permits even though I'm now a resident of MN?
One other quick question I have is regarding purchasing from a dealer. What exactly will I need besides a MN driver's license?
Thanks in advance!

View · by **george** on Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:02 am

Your UT. permit will still work in MN. but don't forget to notify UT. of your change of Address.
You will not be able to renew your UT. permit without your new MN. resident permit.
To make a handgun purchase in MN. from a dealer will require a MN. carry permit or a purchase permit
from your sheriff of resident.

View · by **srommes** on Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:44 am

george wrote:Your UT. permit will still work in MN. but don't forget to notify UT. of your change of Address.
You will not be able to renew your UT. permit without your new MN. resident permit.
To make a handgun purchase in MN. from a dealer will require a MN. carry permit or a purchase permit
from your sheriff of resident.

Thanks George. My Utah permit is good through 2016. Once that is about six months from expiring, I'll get a MN permit. I just didn't want to have to get a MN permit now if it wasn't necessary. So I guess I'm good to go. Thanks again for the clarification.

View · by **EAJuggalo** on Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:12 am

george wrote:Your UT. permit will still work in MN. but don't forget to notify UT. of your change of Address.
You will not be able to renew your UT. permit without your new MN. resident permit.
To make a handgun purchase in MN. from a dealer will require a MN. carry permit or a purchase permit
from your sheriff of resident.

Not quite right, to make a purchase of a handgun or "Military style assault weapon" you must have either a carry permit issued by your county of residence or a permit to purchase available free from your local police department if you have one and the sheriff of residence if there is no local pd.

View · by **george** on Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:46 am

EAJuggalo wrote:
george wrote:Your UT. permit will still work in MN. but don't forget to notify UT. of your change of Address.
You will not be able to renew your UT. permit without your new MN. resident permit.
To make a handgun purchase in MN. from a dealer will require a MN. carry permit or a purchase permit
from your sheriff of resident.

Not quite right, to make a purchase of a handgun or "Military style assault weapon" you must have either a carry permit issued by your county of residence or a permit to purchase available free from your local police department if you have one and the sheriff of residence if there is no local pd.

Not quite right also, MN. does not require you to change your permit address, only to notify of change of address if you move, a new permit from your new resident is optional. Some dealers have a hard time with this and wont except a address
that does not match the ID.

View · by **cobb** on Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:56 pm

Possesion on MN school property also come into play, cannot with a UT but can with a MN if you are a MN resident.

View · by **Squib Joe** on Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:15 am

george wrote:Not quite right also, MN. does not require you to change your permit address, only to notify of change of address if you move, a new permit from your new resident is optional. Some dealers have a hard time with this and wont except a address
that does not match the ID.

The BATFE has a hard time with this, not the dealers. Expired or incorrect documents used in a transaction are one of the first things they look for during an audit.

View · by **ex-LT** on Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:27 am

Squib Joe wrote:
george wrote:Not quite right also, MN. does not require you to change your permit address, only to notify of change of address if you move, a new permit from your new resident is optional. Some dealers have a hard time with this and wont except a address
that does not match the ID.

The BATFE has a hard time with this, not the dealers. Expired or incorrect documents used in a transaction are one of the first things they look for during an audit.

Maybe I haven't been paying attention when I've bought my handguns, but to the best of my recollection, the only thing Thunderjohn records on the 4473 is my permit number and expiration date - no address, and I don't believe he makes a copy of the permit. Given that, I don't see how BATFE would be able to make an assessment on whether the address on my permit matches that on my DL, so I contend that it is a dealer issue, NOT BATFE.

That said, I had the RCSO issue me a new permit when I moved from St. Paul to Lakeville last year.

View · by **grimbeaver** on Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:18 am

Edit... double post

View · by **grimbeaver** on Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:21 am

cobb wrote:Possesion on MN school property also come into play, cannot with a UT but can with a MN if you are a MN resident.

That statement is very poorly written and one could easily misinterpret it, though I would hope anyone carrying would read the laws for themselves. It should read 'on MNSCU property' as all elementary, middle, or secondary school are prohibited even if you have a MN permit.

View · by **xd ED** on Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:38 am

grimbeaver wrote:
cobb wrote:Possesion on MN school property also come into play, cannot with a UT but can with a MN if you are a MN resident.

That statement is very poorly written and one could easily misinterpret it, though I would hope anyone carrying would read the laws for themselves. It should read 'on MNSCU property' as all elementary, middle, or secondary school are prohibited even if you have a MN permit.

I think you need to learn a bit more about the law as it pertains to school restrictions and prohibitions.
cobb's statement is true, even if you don't understand it.

ETA:
While I cannot find the exact statute
I believe this is the short version-
With a MN permit you can drive onto school property and secure a handgun before leaving the vehicle's parking spot- not legal without a MN permit.
With a MN permit AND the school's admin permission you can carry on school grounds
A- not legal without a MN permit
A1- without a MN permit: a felony; lesser crime with permit, without permission.

View · by **MWAG** on Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:58 am

Correct. You have the right WITH a MN PTC to be within 1000' of a E/M/H school and to be in a parking lot securing your handgun. You are not afforded that ability with any out of state permit

View · by **xd ED** on Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:25 am

MWAG wrote:Correct. You have the right WITH a MN PTC to be within 1000' of a E/M/H school and to be in a parking lot securing your handgun. You are not afforded that ability with any out of state permit

The 1000' rule is a source of confusion for me. I've lived a few hundred feet of a school much of my adult life- and long before acquiring a permit to carry. Without a permit it's typically illegal to carry in public, regardless of school proximity. And the 1k rule doesn't affect my rights at home.

View · by **Squib Joe** on Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:29 pm

The "1000 foot rule" is part of the Federal Gun-Free School Zones Act and there are some exemptions, including for Minnesota Carry Permit holders:

Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(B):

[18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A)] does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

(iii) that is—

(I) not loaded; and

(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;

(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;

(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;

(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or

(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.

View · by **grimbeaver** on Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:06 pm

xd ED wrote:I think you need to learn a bit more about the law as it pertains to school restrictions and prohibitions.
cobb's statement is true, even if you don't understand it.

ETA:
While I cannot find the exact statute
I believe this is the short version-
With a MN permit you can drive onto school property and secure a handgun before leaving the vehicle's parking spot- not legal without a MN permit.
With a MN permit AND the school's admin permission you can carry on school grounds
A- not legal without a MN permit
A1- without a MN permit: a felony; lesser crime with permit, without permission.

That is under 609.66:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.66

(3) persons authorized to carry a pistol under section 624.714 while in a motor vehicle or outside of a motor vehicle to directly place a firearm in, or retrieve it from, the trunk or rear area of the vehicle;

The one thing I'm still trying to find is where does it say ONLY valid for MN permits and not for permits that the state recognizes. Does anyone know where that is?