Safety first

[yuppiejr]

Safety first ladies/gents:

[Erud]

Holy crap.

[Ron Burgundy]

This is a very rare occurrence and the result of a complacent RO and a fellow who placed the value of spent brass over the time of his peers and his personal safety.

So, if you've never shot action pistol, don't let this influence your view. Come try it!


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[xd ED]

effin' brass rats. . .

[selurcspi]

effin' brass rats. . .

He's not a brass rat, he's patching targets.

[Rip Van Winkle]

Holy crap! you can't see the down range targets from the start line, doesn't anyone check before they begin shooting?

Where is the RSO? CRSO? if I were running that range heads would roll.

[Erud]

Holy crap! you can't see the down range targets from the start line, doesn't anyone check before they begin shooting?

Where is the RSO? CRSO? if I were running that range heads would roll.

All good questions. And not only that, but is the dumbass down range completely deaf?!? If I am on the range part of a shooting range during a shooting event and someone starts shooting 15 feet away from me, I'm gonna say something.

[selurcspi]

Holy crap! you can't see the down range targets from the start line, doesn't anyone check before they begin shooting?

Where is the RSO? CRSO? if I were running that range heads would roll.

All good questions. And not only that, but is the dumbass down range completely deaf?!? If I am on the range part of a shooting range during a shooting event and someone starts shooting 15 feet away from me, I'm gonna say something.

The patcher would have had his ears on, and at a multi stage match, gunshots from other stages and shots on your stage sound about the same. This is the CRO's fault, pure and simple. He needs retraining at the minimum.

[yuppiejr]

It actually does look like the guy downrange is holding a rolling brass catcher in one hand if you go back and watch around the 25 second mark, he's behind the targets... notice he comes into the RSO's field of vision around the 25 second mark yet the shooter keeps rolling until he spotted the guy while reloading almost 6 seconds later, at which point HE queried the RSO who only then whispered "stop." The cameraman didn't have much to say either and the guy obliviously scrounging brass didn't even seem to notice his peril until about the 30 second mark after 14-15 shots had been fired within a few feet of him... hell at 22 seconds it looks like a couple hit the berm about where he was standing when he came into view at 25 seconds...

Holy. Eff.

[mmcnx2]

Does not make a difference if the guy down range is pasting targets, picking up brass or scratching his butt. The RO is totally to blame, it is his range and he is accountable for clearing the range prior to starting a shooter. That means you either confirm you are the last one up range or you walk it again if not 100% sure your range is clear. This guy should have never RO a stage again. As a certified USPSA RO this is infuriating, the RO never indicates the range is clear, does not start the shooter with the correct commands, he lags behind his shooter and is not watching ahead and even as they approach the guy down range he is not aware of the guy until the shooter turns and asks what is going on.

Hope the club bans the guy from the range.

[Kelor]

Please tell me that's not real.

[yuppiejr]

Do you really think the RO alone in this case would stand trial for criminal negligence or manslaughter if the man who dodges bullets had instead died on the range during a live fire stage? Or would the person pulling the trigger or others present when it happened who failed to act also be on the hook?

Regardless of who is officially accountable for range safety everyone present that day shares some responsibility for the lapses in safety, including the shooter (who could have just as easily done a safety check with or without the RO if someone was unaccounted for), the RO, the cameraman, the guy downrange picking brass/ass along with the observers/squad members who failed to account for one of their own. (gee, where's Tim? I dunno, I saw him head out down that live range with his brass picker about 5 minutes ago... Sweet, better get back to adjusting my mag pouches.)

I'm glad to see so many of the local clubs spend so much time and focus on safety as it clearly was in short supply at the event at which this video was shot.

Unrelated question - Is it normal for people on the range at events like this to be wearing shirts that match the color of target being shot with pants/shorts in an earth tone that matches the berm behind while pasting targets or scooping up brass? It kind of seems like throwing on a brown fuzzy coat and going for a stroll in the woods come early November in northern MN.

[shooter115]

Though there's nothing really funny about what happened here, I have a hard time keeping a straight face when the deaf and blind brass rat takes cover behind a target. Also, as much as this is on the RO, keep in mind not all RO's have much experience or are certified. Many times they are doing it, just because nobody else wants to. Volunteers aren't always the easiest thing to come across.

[mmcnx2]

Do you really think the RO alone in this case would stand trial for criminal negligence or manslaughter if the man who dodges bullets had instead died on the range during a live fire stage? Or would the person pulling the trigger or others present when it happened who failed to act also be on the hook?

Regardless of who is officially accountable for range safety everyone present that day shares some responsibility for the lapses in safety, including the shooter (who could have just as easily done a safety check with or without the RO if someone was unaccounted for), the RO, the cameraman, the guy downrange picking brass/ass along with the observers/squad members who failed to account for one of their own. (gee, where's Tim? I dunno, I saw him head out down that live range with his brass picker about 5 minutes ago... Sweet, better get back to adjusting my mag pouches.)

I'm glad to see so many of the local clubs spend so much time and focus on safety as it clearly was in short supply at the event at which this video was shot.

Unrelated question - Is it normal for people on the range at events like this to be wearing shirts that match the color of target being shot with pants/shorts in an earth tone that matches the berm behind while pasting targets or scooping up brass? It kind of seems like throwing on a brown fuzzy coat and going for a stroll in the woods come early November in northern MN.

As far as USPSA and IPDA are concerned the RO is the responsible party; period. I'm not talking about the legal side, just what competitive shooting rules are and what the organizations see as who is in charge on a stage. Could/should others help, sure, but again that does not mean anything at the end of the day the RO owns the stage. And if you're not comfortable with the responsibilities then don't do the job.

[Erud]

Holy crap! you can't see the down range targets from the start line, doesn't anyone check before they begin shooting?

Where is the RSO? CRSO? if I were running that range heads would roll.

All good questions. And not only that, but is the dumbass down range completely deaf?!? If I am on the range part of a shooting range during a shooting event and someone starts shooting 15 feet away from me, I'm gonna say something.

The patcher would have had his ears on, and at a multi stage match, gunshots from other stages and shots on your stage sound about the same. This is the CRO's fault, pure and simple. He needs retraining at the minimum.

Technically, I'm sure you are right. That said, If I was the guy down range, I would definitely start making some noise when I hear gunshots that close from the direction of the firing line of the range I'm picking up brass/pasting targets on. Regardless off who's actually at fault, I'd feel pretty damned dumb if I got shot at a shooting match because I assumed someone else was going to handle the problem.