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Postby LarryFlew on Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:35 am

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Re: wear your deep BS boots b4 reading this one

Postby Seismic Sam on Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:51 am

Stinky linky! Page is frozen and cannot be scrolled to read the rest of it. probably just as well.......
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Postby Ghost on Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:10 am

Seismic Sam wrote:Stinky linky! Page is frozen and cannot be scrolled to read the rest of it. probably just as well.......


Here you go
In the two weeks after a gun show is held in Nevada, injuries and deaths involving firearms jump by 69 percent - in neighboring areas of California.

However, when gun shows occur in California, the state does not experience an increase in firearm-related trauma over the next fortnight.

The findings, published Monday in the Annals of Internal Medicine, show that state gun laws have a measurable effect on public safety, especially when it comes to gun shows, the study authors wrote.

More than 4,000 gun shows are held in the United States each year, and experts estimate that they're responsible for 4 percent to 9 percent of the nation's firearms sales. When these sales are made by federally licensed gun dealers, would-be buyers are subject to a background check. But in some states, unlicensed sellers at gun shows don't have to follow the same rules.

California, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, requires background checks even at gun shows. Nevada does not.

Ellicott Matthay, a public health researcher at the University of California, Berkeley, and her colleagues recognized this as an ideal scenario for testing the effects of state laws regarding gun show sales.

The researchers scoured gun show listings in a magazine called the Big Show Journal. Altogether, they tallied 275 such shows in Nevada and 640 shows in California between Jan. 1, 2005, and Dec. 31, 2013. Then they identified regions in California that were within a one-hour drive of a California gun show or a two-hour drive of a Nevada gun show.

(Interesting fact: Most California residents could have driven to a gun show in 60 minutes or less at least once every few weeks.)

Next, the researchers used state health data to compare the number of gun injuries - both fatal and nonfatal - for each of the study regions in the two weeks before and two weeks after the nearby show. When the show was in California, the "after" period began 10 days after the show's opening day, because buyers were subject to the state's 10-day waiting period.

Altogether, 15,000 Californians were injured or killed by firearms in the two weeks before California gun shows, as were 14,893 in the two weeks after those gun shows. In the before-and-after comparison, the rate of firearm injuries and deaths remained essentially flat, at about 1.3 per 100,000 people, the researchers found.

The firearms toll was much lower in regions near Nevada gun shows. Only 44 Californians were injured or killed in the two weeks leading up to those shows, but that figure jumped to 74 in the two weeks afterward. The rate of gun injuries and deaths rose from 0.67 to 1.14 per 100,000 people. After the researchers made some statistical adjustments, that represented a 69 percent increase in gun-related morbidity and mortality, the study said.

The researchers also found that firearm-related casualties suffered by Californians increased much more - 70 percent more - when gun shows were held in Nevada than when they were in California.

Most of that increase could be traced to cases in which the shooter meant to harm another person (as opposed to accidents or instances of self-harm). Injuries and deaths from these intentional shootings rose 2.2 times more after Nevada gun shows than they did after California gun shows.

The results offer a compelling case for laws regulating gun sales, according to an editorial that accompanied the study.

"Laws regulating access to guns matter and do make a difference," wrote Drs. Ali Rowhani-Rahbar and Frederick Rivara, both pediatricians and epidemiologists at the University of Washington in Seattle.

But state laws can only go so far, they added. Without federal legislation, tough regulations in California "can be easily breached by a car trip" to Nevada. "It does not reduce the importance of the laws but does reduce their impact."
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Re: wear your deep BS boots b4 reading this one

Postby xd ED on Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:22 am

The article's reasoning sort of steps in it's own doggie doo.

The main thrust is that gun violence spikes after gun shows: ..."two weeks after a gun show is held in Nevada, injuries and deaths involving firearms jump by 69 percent..."

and....

"...(Interesting fact: Most California residents could have driven to a gun show in 60 minutes or less at least once every few weeks.).."

Sounds like gun crime is the norm, not some event (gun show) driven anomaly.

but then there's this, which explains much: the researcher is "...Ellicott Matthay, a public health researcher at the University of California, Berkeley,..."
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Postby ex-LT on Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:32 am

As the sparkling pink pony used to continually remind us, "correlation does not equal causation."
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Postby LarryFlew on Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:33 am

Assuming commiefornia does not have any reciprocity for buying long guns in neighboring states it's all BS because they could not buy ANY guns in Nevada with Cali license.
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Re: wear your deep BS boots b4 reading this one

Postby xd ED on Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:37 am

LarryFlew wrote:Assuming commiefornia does not have any reciprocity for buying long guns in neighboring states it's all BS because they could not buy ANY guns in Nevada with Cali license.


I assumed they were implying it's all because of the ubiquitous 'gun show loophole' - you know, where everyone trades handfuls of cash for full auto concealed weapons, and nuclear-tipped ammo.
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Postby Ghost on Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:31 am

They are really just saying 74 is worse than 15,000.
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Re: wear your deep BS boots b4 reading this one

Postby Seismic Sam on Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:33 pm

So before guns shows 15,000 are injured in Cali, and after gun shows 14,893 are injured? That means ZERO difference with respect to gun shows. My own take on this is that with liberal Kalifornia idjits being clueless about guns, they merrily shoot themselves in the foot all the time, while in Nevada people know how to use guns and the rate is much, much lower. Anybody want to take up a collection and ship Russstra in a box to Kalifornia and let him build his vast army of SNS "liquidus" cheap and dangerous guns??? :lol: :P :evil: :mrgreen:
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Re: wear your deep BS boots b4 reading this one

Postby BigBlue on Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:49 pm

Ah, correlations!! Those wonderful things that don't really mean much in so many cases.

http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

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Re: wear your deep BS boots b4 reading this one

Postby Ghost on Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:48 pm

Seismic Sam wrote:So before guns shows 15,000 are injured in Cali, and after gun shows 14,893 are injured? That means ZERO difference with respect to gun shows. My own take on this is that with liberal Kalifornia idjits being clueless about guns, they merrily shoot themselves in the foot all the time, while in Nevada people know how to use guns and the rate is much, much lower. Anybody want to take up a collection and ship Russstra in a box to Kalifornia and let him build his vast army of SNS "liquidus" cheap and dangerous guns??? :lol: :P :evil: :mrgreen:

That’s not a good argument because background checks are mandatory in Cali so of course they’d say they have no effect.

Statistically 44 to 74 is too small of a sample size to compare to 15,000
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Re: wear your deep BS boots b4 reading this one

Postby LarryFlew on Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:15 pm

REALLY sad that there will be a lot of idiots that just read and believe.
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Postby wasfuzz on Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:16 pm

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Postby Holland&Holland on Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:02 pm

So... The more gun shows they have, the less injuries and deaths?

Sound like California needs more gun shows to me.
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Re: wear your deep BS boots b4 reading this one

Postby crbutler on Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:24 pm

And organized medicine wonders why congress stopped federal funding of this crap...
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