Is this none nfa?

[samginko]

Always wanted a SBS. But, I am fuzzy on the SBS laws.

Mossberg 590 with pistol brace 12ga

http://www.armslist.com/posts/9525424/m ... race-12ga-

[LarryFlew]

The No nonsense, Non NFA 14 inch scatterguns
May 07

By Brandon Maddox
In: FFL123 FFL Blog
3 Comments

What’s a 12 gauge firearm?

When I say the words 12 gauge, you probably think shotgun. That makes since, because 12 gauge has long been a round dedicated to shotguns. Proclaiming that 12 gauge is only a round for shotguns is not an accurate statement. In the last few years we’ve seen something called 12 gauge firearms rise into popularity. This includes both Remington and Mossberg turning their flagship shotguns into firearms.
What do you mean Firearm?

I keep saying firearm as if it is its own classification of gun. In a way it is, but it’s basically a catch all term for guns that falls outside of the normal classifications. The new Mossberg 590 Shockwave and Remington Tac 14 both fall into this firearms category. These are technically 12 gauge, pump action firearms with 14 inch barrels.

Traditionally a shotgun has to have a barrel longer than 18 inches, or it is a short barreled shotgun, or AOW. In either case they fall under the NFA and are title 2 weapons. Civilian ownership of a title 2 weapon requires registration, a tax stamp, a bit of paperwork, and a long wait to be approved. Firearms like the Shockwave and Tac 14 require nothing more than a traditional 4473 and a background check since they are not Title 2 weapons.
But why isn’t it a shotgun?

A shotgun as defined in the National Firearms Act as a shoulder fired weapon. If a gun that just so happens to be patterned after a traditional shotgun like the 870 or 590 and has never had a stock it is not a shotgun. These firearms were never designed, or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder.

[xd ED]

Bud's has the Shockwave for $300

[samginko]

So, I can take a shockwave and put a shockwave on it?

[goosed]

So, I can take a shockwave and put a shockwave on it?

That's the way I understand it.

The Shockwave firearm isn't designed to be shouldered so it doesn't fall under SBS or SBR rules and braces aren't designed to be shouldered either. The one you're considering is a legal firearm with no tax stamp according to the way regulations are written today.

[Hmac]

Short barrel shotguns, like machine guns, are illegal in Minnesota regardless of their Federal status under the NFA.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.67

[LarryFlew]

Short barrel shotguns, like machine guns, are illegal in Minnesota regardless of their Federal status under the NFA.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.67

(b) "Shotgun" means a weapon designed, redesigned, made or remade which is intended to be fired from the shoulder and uses the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.

Reads the same as federal and since it was not changed or redesigned or remade it should be the same as federal where it is not classified as NFA.

[Squib Joe]

Shockwave products directly from Mossberg are considered "pistol gripped firearms". They use Mossberg receivers that have never had a buttstock installed on them, and so they never became a shotgun.

The problem with the firearm listed is that you can't prove a shoulder stock was ever installed on it. If it shipped from the factory with a buttstock, it became an illegal SBS as soon as the 14" barrel was installed.

My advice is don't trust modified shotguns that a loophole lawyer thinks is legal. Just buy a Shockwave from the factory, they also provide an ATF letter.

[Rowdy Roddy]

So, I can take a shockwave and put a shockwave on it?

Sounds painful to me.

[Holland&Holland]

So, I can take a shockwave and put a shockwave on it?

Sounds painful to me.

It's more shocking than painful really

[Ghost]

So, I can take a shockwave and put a shockwave on it?

Sounds painful to me.

It's more shocking than painful really

[Holland&Holland]

That's just a regular wave, not a shockwave

[Ghost]

That's just a regular wave, not a shockwave

You only addressed the shock part

[Holland&Holland]

That's just a regular wave, not a shockwave

You only addressed the shock part

True. I’ll give you that