Article on dealing with 'gun violence'

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Article on dealing with 'gun violence'

Postby BigBlue on Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:45 am

Saw this in the Red Star today. I'm not entirely sure how to interpret the authors' intentions. On the one hand, it seems like it matches my philosophy of "it's the person, not the tool, so fix them" but since this is the Red Star and since they didn't mention suicide when quoting "gun violence" stats I'm not really sure.

http://www.startribune.com/our-society- ... 559404492/

Thankfully, the events that unfolded on Labor Day were not another mass-casualty shooting. But that’s not permission to move on. Three people still got shot. The State Fair shooting is instead a timely reminder that there is not one gun violence problem but several, and that each deserves our focused attention.
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Alas, we have faced the prospect of a supposedly unpredictable and intractable violence before, only to find that murder is predictable, therefore preventable. As we continue to process what feels like a new normal of violence, let us not forget this. We can do more than just run, hide, fight. We must stop the contagion.


I'd truly like our nation to switch the conversation from "someone with a gun killed people, let's ban the guns" to "someone killed people, let's find out why and fix what caused it".

It's not the easier path but it is the only path that would actually impact the cause of violence.
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Re: Article on dealing with 'gun violence'

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:11 pm

BigBlue wrote:I'd truly like our nation to switch the conversation from "someone with a gun killed people, let's ban the guns" to "someone killed people, let's find out why and fix what caused it".

It's not the easier path but it is the only path that would actually impact the cause of violence.

We aren't allowed to go there.

It might lead us back to racist and outdated ideals like personal responsibility.

It might undermine the welfare state.

It might raise doubts about the socialist/progressive/liberal agenda.

Nope, we're not allowed to go there, and you're a racist/white supremacist for even thinking about such things. :shameonyou: [/sarcasm]
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Re: Article on dealing with 'gun violence'

Postby Holland&Holland on Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:35 pm

BigBlue wrote:Saw this in the Red Star today. I'm not entirely sure how to interpret the authors' intentions. On the one hand, it seems like it matches my philosophy of "it's the person, not the tool, so fix them" but since this is the Red Star and since they didn't mention suicide when quoting "gun violence" stats I'm not really sure.

http://www.startribune.com/our-society- ... 559404492/

Thankfully, the events that unfolded on Labor Day were not another mass-casualty shooting. But that’s not permission to move on. Three people still got shot. The State Fair shooting is instead a timely reminder that there is not one gun violence problem but several, and that each deserves our focused attention.
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Alas, we have faced the prospect of a supposedly unpredictable and intractable violence before, only to find that murder is predictable, therefore preventable. As we continue to process what feels like a new normal of violence, let us not forget this. We can do more than just run, hide, fight. We must stop the contagion.


I'd truly like our nation to switch the conversation from "someone with a gun killed people, let's ban the guns" to "someone killed people, let's find out why and fix what caused it".

It's not the easier path but it is the only path that would actually impact the cause of violence.


:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Oh wait you were serious?

For that to work, the left needs to actually be interested in reducing violence, not controlling the population.
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Re: Article on dealing with 'gun violence'

Postby BigBlue on Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:40 pm

Holland&Holland wrote: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Oh wait you were serious?

For that to work, the left needs to actually be interested in reducing violence, not controlling the population.


I know. But if we keep telling enough people maybe eventually they'll lose their tag-alongs and their task will become impossible. We don't have to convince them all, just critical mass.
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Re: Article on dealing with 'gun violence'

Postby Holland&Holland on Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:59 pm

BigBlue wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Oh wait you were serious?

For that to work, the left needs to actually be interested in reducing violence, not controlling the population.


I know. But if we keep telling enough people maybe eventually they'll lose their tag-alongs and their task will become impossible. We don't have to convince them all, just critical mass.

Good point
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