Curios and Relics question

[Lumpy]

Recently I read the claim that under MN law Curios and Relics are an exception to the prohibition on owning full-auto firearms (besides law enforcement and licensed gun dealers). Is this correct, that in MN I can own a functioning full-auto firearm as long as it meets the ATF definition of a C&R?

[xd ED]

That is essentially correct.
It needs to be listed as an C & R Firearm.

BATF Curios or Relics List


and here's one you could own:



Colt 1928 Navy Thompson Submachine Gun
$75,000.00

Machine Guns For Sale

[bstrawse]

Recently I read the claim that under MN law Curios and Relics are an exception to the prohibition on owning full-auto firearms (besides law enforcement and licensed gun dealers). Is this correct, that in MN I can own a functioning full-auto firearm as long as it meets the ATF definition of a C&R?

Correct
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[crbutler]

Kind of sort of.

Firstly, they don’t treat them as curios and relics, they are treated as class III weapons, so a c&r license does not authorize transfer.

If you do get one you also have to register it with the state BCA.

One thing that I find kind of curious about the whole c&r thing is it’s a specific list, sometimes down to specific serial numbers… even though by now ANYTHING legally transferable to individuals is more than 30 years out, most much more so.

[Lumpy]

Which leads me to another question: how much can a C&R be refurbished or repaired before it would no longer be considered the same gun; i.e. the "Ship of Theseus" question?

[warrlac]

Kind of sort of.

Firstly, they don’t treat them as curios and relics, they are treated as class III weapons, so a c&r license does not authorize transfer.

If you do get one you also have to register it with the state BCA.

One thing that I find kind of curious about the whole c&r thing is it’s a specific list, sometimes down to specific serial numbers… even though by now ANYTHING legally transferable to individuals is more than 30 years out, most much more so.

I have a C&R FFL. It is my understanding that the ATF did away with any sort of list quite a few years ago.

The magic number is 50 years old. For example, that means that a 1973 Browning Auto-5 could be transferred as a C&R firearm today.

Note that many Sellers refuse to sell them as C&R items and make you go through a Type 1 FFL anyway. There are advantages to having a C&R when it comes to bidding on vintage military firearms (sometime sold in lots at auction).

[xd ED]

Which leads me to another question: how much can a C&R be refurbished or repaired before it would no longer be considered the same gun; i.e. the "Ship of Theseus" question?

That is the first question addressed in the FAQs of the linked document I previously posted.
The short answer is that repairs can be made, and parts replaced as long as it stay’s essentially in original form.

[crbutler]

Kind of sort of.

Firstly, they don’t treat them as curios and relics, they are treated as class III weapons, so a c&r license does not authorize transfer.

If you do get one you also have to register it with the state BCA.

One thing that I find kind of curious about the whole c&r thing is it’s a specific list, sometimes down to specific serial numbers… even though by now ANYTHING legally transferable to individuals is more than 30 years out, most much more so.

I have a C&R FFL. It is my understanding that the ATF did away with any sort of list quite a few years ago.

The magic number is 50 years old. For example, that means that a 1973 Browning Auto-5 could be transferred as a C&R firearm today.

Note that many Sellers refuse to sell them as C&R items and make you go through a Type 1 FFL anyway. There are advantages to having a C&R when it comes to bidding on vintage military firearms (sometime sold in lots at auction).

The ATF may have, but MN maintains a list of C&R eligible full auto items. It has to be on that list for individual transfer. Most of the weapons that have been stamped were stamped before 1973.

Getting a FFL that has the appropriate credentials exempts someone/a business from the C&R part in MN... but then it is not a transferable to individuals item. Your C&R license does not allow you to acquire full auto C&R weapons regardless of tax stamp situation. You do need to have a class III transfer dealer to do so.

Fundamentally it is possible to get machine guns in MN, just a limited subset of those that are allowed under federal law with some additional steps that the state requires.

[Holland&Holland]

And a ton of money.