IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

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IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby jgalt on Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:22 pm

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/04/state-reps-want-to-fight-violence-with-national-guards-help.html

Two state representatives called on Gov. Pat Quinn Sunday to deploy the Illinois National Guard to safeguard Chicago's streets.

Chicago Democrats John Fritchey and LaShawn Ford said they want Quinn, Mayor Richard Daley and Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis to allow guardsmen to patrol streets and help quell violence. Weis said he did not support the idea because the military and police operate under different rules.

"Is this a drastic call to action? Of course it is," Fritchey said. "Is it warranted when we are losing residents to gun violence at such an alarming rate? Without question. We are not talking about rolling tanks down the street or having armed guards on each corner."

What he envisions, Fritchey said, is a "heightened presence on the streets," particularly on the roughly 9 percent of city blocks where most of the city's violent crimes occur.

Weis previously identified those "hot spots" and said he plans to create a 100-person team made up of selected and volunteer police personnel to respond to crime there. If guardsmen were to assist police, they could comprise or contribute to that force, Fritchey said.

So far this year, 113 people have been killed across Chicago, the same number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined in the same period, Fritchey said.

"As we speak, National Guard members are working side-by-side with our troops to fight a war halfway around the world," Fritchey said. "The unfortunate reality is that we have another war that is just as deadly taking place right in our backyard." While the National Guard has been deployed in other states to prevent violence related to specific events and protests, the Chicago legislators said they are unaware of guardsmen being deployed to assist with general urban unrest.

Weis countered that the only scenario in which the National Guard would be helpful is in the situation of a tornado, earthquake or flood. If the military were brought in to help with city violence, they wouldn't answer to police command -- creating a "major disconnect" in mission and strategy.

Alluding to the 1970 Kent State University incident where the National Guard was called in and protestors and students were shot, Weis said having guardsmen handle crime could be "disastrous." But he said if the Daley suggested it, he would consider the option.

"I'm open to anything that reduces violence. But I have concerns when you mix law enforcement and the military," Weis said.

But Fritchey and Ford said prompt action is needed because summer is right around the corner and with the warm weather comes an increase in violence.

Fritchey and Ford serve two different constituencies, representing the North Side and the West Side respectively. "One half of this city views this as a part of daily life," Fritchey said. "Another part of the city doesn't care because it doesn't affect them." Yet the lawmakers said they are coming together because gun violence should be a priority to all Chicagoans.

"No help is too much help" Ford said. "This is not just about the murders. It's about the crime. It's about people being stabbed, robbed and in the hospital on life support."

Fritchey said he spoke to representatives from Quinn's office about deploying guardsmen and they "seemed open to the idea." The lawmakers had yet to speak to Weis or the mayor's office.

"I don't anticipate the governor implementing it over the objection of the mayor," Fritchey said.

"I hope this doesn't become a territorial issue. I hope this doesn't become an ego issue. This isn't about public relations or politics. This is about reclaiming our communities."


Read some of the comments as well... :roll:
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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby mnmike59 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:15 am

IDIOTS! Don't they realize it's illegal to possess a firearm. Geez, Problem solved, just inform everyone of that law! :roll:

Another note: I would bet that the bulk of that 113 killed are gang bangers or thugs. They're just weeding themselves out. Leave em alone.
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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby John S. on Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:44 am

It's all lies. You can't have guns in Chicago. So, it never really happened did it? :roll:

The killings are from slingshots with ballbearings, everyone knows guns are illegal in the windy city!
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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby jgalt on Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:56 am

You guys do realize the point of the article is that two elected representatives are calling on the Governor of IL to use the National Guard to patrol the streets of Chicago, right...?

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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby John S. on Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:20 am

Daddy was a cop, on the south side of Chicago....................... :?

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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby John S. on Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:25 am

jgalt wrote:You guys do realize the point of the article is that two elected representatives are calling on the Governor of IL to use the National Guard to patrol the streets of Chicago, right...?

:roll:


Frankly I don't give **** what happens there. Maybe it will finally bring to light that the gun laws don't work..................... ;)
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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby plblark on Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:30 am

as a large population center and political hotbed, what happens there affects us here.
Bring in the Troops is a Terrible thing to be done in times of Catastrophic failure...

How the heck are troops going to police and control things in a free society?
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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby Jenster on Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:09 pm

I work in Chicago about five days per month and this is a huge issue right now. Everyone is talking about it.
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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby mnmike59 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:54 pm

jgalt wrote:You guys do realize the point of the article is that two elected representatives are calling on the Governor of IL to use the National Guard to patrol the streets of Chicago, right...?

:roll:


I did read the article, :roll: But I think their idea is about as idiotic as Ive seen. Are they going to have armed Guardsmen patrolling the projects? For how long? day and night? at who's cost, theirs or ours?
They need to rethink what the root of the problem is and address that! I don't have any short term solutions other than hire more Officers and increase patrol. There are thousands of trained LEO's out of work right now. The National guard will not be free, as another matter of discussion, I would have to think it would cost more than to hire trained LE. IMHO
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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby John S. on Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:04 pm

This can only help to strengthen the need to allow honest citezens to carry guns, look how well it worked with Al Capone! :roll:
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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby Spike on Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:44 pm

I would be very interested in what the rules of engagement would be for the National Guard acting in a police action. We've all seen how well using the military to act like police has worked in Iraq. I'm not ripping on our fine service members. I'm just trying to say that the military is much better at war than trying to act like cops.

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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby nyffman on Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:02 am

John S. wrote:This can only help to strengthen the need to allow honest citezens to carry guns, look how well it worked with Al Capone! :roll:

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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby mitchx3 on Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:19 am

jody weis wrote:"I'm open to anything that reduces violence."



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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby plblark on Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:00 pm

"it works. The people here stopped fighting. And then they stopped everything else."
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Re: IL: 2 State Reps - "Bring in the National Guard"

Postby Stradawhovious on Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:20 pm

mitchx3 wrote:
jody weis wrote:"I'm open to anything that reduces violence."



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plblark wrote:"it works. The people here stopped fighting. And then they stopped everything else."


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