Wikileaks Diplomatic Dump

[Heffay]

Do you think that methods used by the CIA/FBI used to follow and catch some muslim extemists after 9/11 should have been immediately made public information?

....as well as all military operations and deployments....................

Oh yeah, I forgot. There are terrorists out there who want to kill us. Therefore we should trust the government to take care of us.

[WWJD]

I blame Al Bore, after all, he did invent the interweb

[nyffman]

Do you think that methods used by the CIA/FBI used to follow and catch some muslim extemists after 9/11 should have been immediately made public information?

....as well as all military operations and deployments....................

Oh yeah, I forgot. There are terrorists out there who want to kill us. Therefore we should trust the government to take care of us.

Actually, that was a question and it was for Pat since he was professing some actual knowledge of the subject. But thanks for your contribution. And, you can be assured that it was accepted in the same spirit of peace and understanding with which it was offered. Since the opposite of your strong cynicism toward the govt, is anarchy, is it safe to assume you would just as eagerly embrace the same?
Your previous reply about the govt being held accountable and answering to us, etc is something I could agree with.

I have no problems with the leaks. I'm all about open government. Everything they do *should* be exposed to the light of day. Maybe a 2 week delay on very critical stuff, but they represent us, and therefore should answer to us. They need to be held accountable for their actions, and if they know their actions will be exposed, maybe it'll result in less shenanigans.

But, it sounds like you want instant gratification on almost each and every incident. I think general oversight with guidlines would work better. If everyone is being honest, the result you claim to desire would be more consitantly achieved. The problem has been, when "shenanigans" as you put it, occur, there hasn't always been a strong enough will to carry through with the punishment phase. If you can get cronyism and politics out, everything works a lot better.

[gyrfalcon]

But, it sounds like you want instant gratification on almost each and every incident. I think general oversight with guidlines would work better. If everyone is being honest, the result you claim to desire would be more consitantly achieved...

Is still waiting for the rest of the JFK info to be released.

[Heffay]

I think general oversight with guidlines would work better. If everyone is being honest, the result you claim to desire would be more consitantly achieved. The problem has been, when "shenanigans" as you put it, occur, there hasn't always been a strong enough will to carry through with the punishment phase. If you can get cronyism and politics out, everything works a lot better.

Lots of "if" statements there that just don't exist. "If everyone is being honest" doesn't exist. It's against human nature. As soon as someone has something personal to gain, the common good gets thrown out the window.

Of course, my wishes about open government will never come to pass either, since those in power won't do anything to weaken their power base. Again, it's against human nature.

So I guess the best we can hope for is to buy a bag full of candy and nuts, and every day will be Christmas!

[autobahn]

Information wants to be free. This won't ever change.

That doesn't mean that there aren't some things that have merit to be kept secret. It just means that you have to be careful with what you really deem secret.

What hurts the ability of the US Government to keep secrets more than anything is the over-classification of data. When you label something secret or top secret that really isn't, it dilutes the label.

[mitchx3]

Interestingly enough, this is may be linked to DADT:
http://gizmodo.com/5701089/how-a-burnt- ... ence-files

[Heffay]

What hurts the ability of the US Government to keep secrets more than anything is the over-classification of data.

Who watches the watchers?

[hammAR]

As much as you glimmering pink liberal eunuchs want it to be this issue is far from a done deal.............
maybe you should sign up for the Free Bradley Manning tour.....
better hurry before Assange takes a ride with one of the Iranian NukePukes.......

[Heffay]

Here is why you should support wikileaks:

Stengel had said the U.S. Secretary of State was looking like "the fall guy" in the ensuing controversy, and had asked whether her firing or resignation was an outcome that Assange wanted. "I don't think it would make much of a difference either way," Assange said. "But she should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up. Yes, she should resign over that."

He wants to get Hillary fired. How can you oppose that, unless you're a closet Hillary fan!?

[chunkstyle]

Excellent article on the matter:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democrac ... /wikileaks

[nyffman]

Here is why you should support wikileaks:

Stengel had said the U.S. Secretary of State was looking like "the fall guy" in the ensuing controversy, and had asked whether her firing or resignation was an outcome that Assange wanted. "I don't think it would make much of a difference either way," Assange said. "But she should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up. Yes, she should resign over that."

He wants to get Hillary fired. How can you oppose that, unless you're a closet Hillary fan!?

Hillary Clinton: Secretary of State is "My Last Public Position"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20024551-503544.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Is it too late to call off Interpol? Or, maybe, if they find him, he could be brought here for an award ceremony. But, just to be safe, she should also give Favre a call so they can talk about the danger of hanging around too long.

[gyrfalcon]

It would be interesting to see what the source of the DDoS on wiki-leaks is... I'm sure a number of the botnets the FBI/CIA/NSA "take down" are kept active. So far the DDoS was big enough to cause a problem for EasyeveryDNS:


Hahaha poor bastards:

DOS attack last night, and their DNS provider who was everyDNS.net and not easyDNS, took the website down.

I'm not sure who the Pulitzer candidate was who started it, but somebody wrote that Wikileaks had been taken down by us, easyDNS. By the time I woke up this morning I was inundated with emails and comments....

http://blog.easydns.org

[ComradeBurg]

Information wants to be free.

Inanimate objects want to be anthropomorphism!

On the Wikileaks subject I have to say I'm all for it. Frankly our government is supposed to be by the people and for the people. Elected representatives are our employees whom we hire through the voting process to represent our interests. We can not know how well of a job their doing if so much of what they do remains hidden from our eyes. If you owned a business would you find it acceptable for your employees to withhold work-related information from you? I know I wouldn't.

A free government can't exist without transparency which our government obviously no longer has.

[Hobotorium]

I'm not really a Paulite but he really hit it on the head:

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," Paul said. "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it."

When it feels threatened our government is not much better than China, pressuring companies to not provide services because it disagrees with what they are saying. Expect attempts at limiting the internet and speech in the near future.