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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby EJSG19 on Fri May 06, 2011 7:45 am

Heffay wrote:
EJSG19 wrote:The whole "is it ok because they did it first?" is just pacifist nonsense. I still haven't found out what it was that "provoked" such a massive terrorist attack like 9/11. Therefore, I have to believe we did not, in fact, provoke anything. Which leads me to the logical conclusion that not doing anything, doesn't work.

That logical conclusion applies to many other things in life also, as it turns out.


So let me get this straight. If you're opposed to the release of the photos, you're a pacifist?


You have missed the point, but maybe because I wasn't clear enough.

The photo isn't the issue. Who gives a **** about the photo? A man with a hole in his head, big deal.

The fear of the trumped up "consequences" of showing the photo is the pacifism.

We've already got terrorism. What are they going to do to us? Fly a god damn plane into the World Trade... oh wait. Yeah those **** already did that to us.
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby Heffay on Fri May 06, 2011 7:47 am

EJSG19 wrote:The fear of the trumped up "consequences" of showing the photo is the pacifism.


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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby DeanC on Fri May 06, 2011 7:53 am

Heffay wrote:
EJSG19 wrote:The fear of the trumped up "consequences" of showing the photo is the pacifism.


It's easy to be a tough guy when it's not your ass on the line, isn't it?

According to Homeland Security and the TSA all our asses are on the line every second of every day.
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby goalie on Fri May 06, 2011 8:11 am

EJSG19 wrote:
You have missed the point, but maybe because I wasn't clear enough.

The photo isn't the issue. Who gives a **** about the photo? A man with a hole in his head, big deal.

The fear of the trumped up "consequences" of showing the photo is the pacifism.

We've already got terrorism. What are they going to do to us? Fly a god damn plane into the World Trade... oh wait. Yeah those ******* already did that to us.


There is a huge difference between being afraid of something and thinking that, considering current world events in the middle east (especially the civil unrest throughout the region) that it would be stupid to give a lot of those people a common thing to be pissed off at........US.

I personally like the average dude in the middle east being pissed off at his own oppressive dictator/government instead of us for a change. I think showing the pictures would be stupid and have a net negative effect, while only satisfying the curiosity of internet commandos and tough guys.

As for the pacifism crap, reall???? I am now a pacifist because I think showing the pictures would be a dumbass move?!?!?! I guess it's hard to argue with that logic.
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby gyrfalcon on Fri May 06, 2011 4:42 pm

goalie wrote:There is a huge difference between being afraid of something and thinking that, considering current world events in the middle east (especially the civil unrest throughout the region) that it would be stupid to give a lot of those people a common thing to be pissed off at........US. I personally like the average dude in the middle east being pissed off at his own oppressive dictator/government instead of us for a change. I think showing the pictures would be stupid and have a net negative effect, while only satisfying the curiosity of internet commandos and tough guys. As for the pacifism crap, reall???? I am now a pacifist because I think showing the pictures would be a dumbass move?!?!?! I guess it's hard to argue with that logic.


The US government sent a fairly large military force into foreign country (which happens to also be a nuclear power) without permission or notification. They then killed a number of people and admitted to it publicly. Yet you're of the belief that releasing photographs of OBL would have a negative effect over all, and would just make things worse.

Maybe you should bury your head in the sand so you don't get sunburn next time you're at the beach. :roll:
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby EJSG19 on Fri May 06, 2011 6:13 pm

gyrfalcon wrote:
goalie wrote:There is a huge difference between being afraid of something and thinking that, considering current world events in the middle east (especially the civil unrest throughout the region) that it would be stupid to give a lot of those people a common thing to be pissed off at........US. I personally like the average dude in the middle east being pissed off at his own oppressive dictator/government instead of us for a change. I think showing the pictures would be stupid and have a net negative effect, while only satisfying the curiosity of internet commandos and tough guys. As for the pacifism crap, reall???? I am now a pacifist because I think showing the pictures would be a dumbass move?!?!?! I guess it's hard to argue with that logic.


The US government sent a fairly large military force into foreign country (which happens to also be a nuclear power) without permission or notification. They then killed a number of people and admitted to it publicly. Yet you're of the belief that releasing photographs of OBL would have a negative effect over all, and would just make things worse.

Maybe you should bury your head in the sand so you don't get sunburn next time you're at the beach. :roll:


I have to admit I'm in agreement here. Why are we even worried about photo's at this point? You'd think the gigantic issue would be the fact that we just snuck in and offed this guy. I can only imagine how that makes a radical muslim terrorist feel. The fact that somebody might have a picture of it doesn't really make a hill of beans compared to the fact that he was just killed. I never meant to say that showing the photos would help anything, only that it should be a drop in the bucket compared to the real issue. If it brings unnecessary risk to special ops guys or anyone else, than screw it, burn the photo, who cares.

The emphasis is in the wrong place. If killing him doesn't cause trouble, then I'd feel fairly safe saying that a perceived disrespect of his body or whatever the photo might be seen as, probably won't cause any more or less trouble than his killing. The point is, these nutjobs attacked us before he was killed, and they likely keep up the effort afterward.


Beside the point, as a country, I don't quite understand the tip toeing about when terrorists are on the other side. Would we let aggression on our country slide if it was 1940's germany, or emperial Britain telling us they were going to run the show? If China one day decides "Hey we hate the U.S. lets invade them. Look how good it worked for the Terrorists! All they had to do was say "we hate the U.S. and if the U.S. fights back we'll just threaten more violence." Works like a charm.

Why does it matter? Enemies are enemies.
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby monschman on Fri May 06, 2011 6:51 pm

I for one still want to see it, I don't retract my previous comments. This, and I aspire towards pacifism through superior firepower and the will to prevail in what's right
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby xd ED on Fri May 06, 2011 8:32 pm

EJSG19 wrote:
gyrfalcon wrote:
goalie wrote:There is a huge difference between being afraid of something and thinking that, considering current world events in the middle east (especially the civil unrest throughout the region) that it would be stupid to give a lot of those people a common thing to be pissed off at........US. I personally like the average dude in the middle east being pissed off at his own oppressive dictator/government instead of us for a change. I think showing the pictures would be stupid and have a net negative effect, while only satisfying the curiosity of internet commandos and tough guys. As for the pacifism crap, reall???? I am now a pacifist because I think showing the pictures would be a dumbass move?!?!?! I guess it's hard to argue with that logic.


The US government sent a fairly large military force into foreign country (which happens to also be a nuclear power) without permission or notification. They then killed a number of people and admitted to it publicly. Yet you're of the belief that releasing photographs of OBL would have a negative effect over all, and would just make things worse.

Maybe you should bury your head in the sand so you don't get sunburn next time you're at the beach. :roll:


I have to admit I'm in agreement here. Why are we even worried about photo's at this point? You'd think the gigantic issue would be the fact that we just snuck in and offed this guy. I can only imagine how that makes a radical muslim terrorist feel. The fact that somebody might have a picture of it doesn't really make a hill of beans compared to the fact that he was just killed. I never meant to say that showing the photos would help anything, only that it should be a drop in the bucket compared to the real issue. If it brings unnecessary risk to special ops guys or anyone else, than screw it, burn the photo, who cares.

The emphasis is in the wrong place. If killing him doesn't cause trouble, then I'd feel fairly safe saying that a perceived disrespect of his body or whatever the photo might be seen as, probably won't cause any more or less trouble than his killing. The point is, these nutjobs attacked us before he was killed, and they likely keep up the effort afterward.


Beside the point, as a country, I don't quite understand the tip toeing about when terrorists are on the other side. Would we let aggression on our country slide if it was 1940's germany, or emperial Britain telling us they were going to run the show? If China one day decides "Hey we hate the U.S. lets invade them. Look how good it worked for the Terrorists! All they had to do was say "we hate the U.S. and if the U.S. fights back we'll just threaten more violence." Works like a charm.

Why does it matter? Enemies are enemies.


What you're suggesting sounds logical, and reasonable on the surface. But you're ignoring human behavior- particularly the response to visual stimuli, as well as media manipulation, and the power of propaganda.

First off, most people on this planet couldn't point out Pakistan on a globe if you gave them 3 tries. And to those who we worry about, the concept of a sovereign nation is non-existent.

Further, ask yourself what the name Daniel Pearl means to you.


Now, without turning to the gooogle: Name another journalist who was beheaded by al queda, whose murder wasn't broadcast around the world.

Similarly, the sight and sound of bodies landing on the streets of New York on 9/ 11 invokes a much more intense reaction than merely reading about the scene.

We did what we set out to do. We got #1; #2, and #3 know that, without seeing any pictures. Pissing off the middle-of-the-road acomplishes nothing- far from it. The radicals will remain radicals, regardless of our actions and will be dealt with as they stick their heads up.
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby monschman on Fri May 06, 2011 8:43 pm

OBL holey pic=chum.
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby 1911fan on Fri May 06, 2011 8:47 pm

if you think the leadership of Pakistan is upset we killed the SOB, you're smoking dope. If you think the hierarchy in Pakistan is concerned about sovereignty over this, you're wrong. They wanted the SOB dead, they want all the looney tunes hard liners dead. The issue is they are afraid of these people, just the same as we are. If you talk to a great majority of Pakistani's, they are not radical islamists, they are people working thru life, and people who cause wars, terror strikes, embargoes' etc, are nothing but a pain in the rear.

There may be some vocal factions inside Pakistan who are upset, and are claiming all sorts of damages because we did this, and I am quite sure Islamabad's reaction on the news claiming to be upset was preceded by a conference call to the White House saying "sorry Barry, I got go make a speech about being pissed off, just ignore it, its for domestic consumption only."

Thats the way this stuff goes, they have to take a stand at home to placate the loonies and all the while they know inside there is a fairly large segment of their military that is extremist, and a moderate segment of the population, so they have to dance the line. THey are very happy we are killing extremists, and they will be more than willing to accept lots more excursions into their space if they have the same results.


If you think we would fly Drones and choppers and even strike aircraft into Pakistan without at least tacit approval from the highest levels, then you are sadly mistaken. We might do it once, on a one time deal to another sovereign nation without approval, but we are not going to be doing it to an ally who could very easily shut the door on an awful lot of American and Ally troops in Afghanistan. They knew, they know every time we send a plane over their borders. They have a less than friendly relationship with India, and they keep their borders tight,.
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby infidel on Fri May 06, 2011 8:50 pm

I wanted to see the pics, but it doesn't matter. Who's next Al Alwaki or Zawahiri? :D
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby xd ED on Fri May 06, 2011 9:03 pm

infidel wrote:I wanted to see the pics, but it doesn't matter. Who's next Al Alwaki or Zawahiri? :D

:exactly:

I wonder what Vegas is thinking??
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby mnmike59 on Sat May 07, 2011 1:57 am

xd ED wrote:I wonder what Vegas is thinking??

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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby tman on Sat May 07, 2011 3:59 am

infidel wrote:I wanted to see the pics, but it doesn't matter. Who's next Al Alwaki or Zawahiri? :D


You get the prize for paying attention!

U.S. missile targeted Qaeda figure in Yemen

Al Alwaki.
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Re: Want to see the picture of Osama dead?

Postby Gustavs01 on Sat May 07, 2011 5:24 am

I would love to see it, Only thing is I'd rather have a trusted independant Source say Yes or No it was him, If I shot bigfoot ya'll would want pics right? Or If A UFO landed in my yard you'd want SOME kind of REAL eveidence, rather than just MY word. So until I see something that is Truly undeniable of his RECENT death, I still say he died in 2005 on natural causes do to his failing Kidney.
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