Minneapolis Curfew in Effect

[tman]

Obviously I have problems with authority...

For some reason I think this board is chock-full of you people.

[bensdad]

you people.

You people?
You People?
YOU PEOPLE?

[farmerj]

you people.

You people?
You People?
YOU PEOPLE?

I am guessing he means those of us who hold peace officers in high regards with disdain and contempt for law enforcement and those that hide behind such labels.

[DeanC]

arbitrarily selected times

It's not so arbitrary. It's the time period when there is no sun. And since there is no power for electric lights, it makes sense. My son and I got pretty close to the affected area. It's a very serious mess. If you can't see, it is very dangerous. There is no way to drive in most of the area. Literally every block has 5-6 huge trees completely across the street. Ambulances and fire trucks have no way to get in most areas.

[jgalt]

arbitrarily selected times

It's not so arbitrary. It's the time period when there is no sun. And since there is no power for electric lights, it makes sense. My son and I got pretty close to the affected area. It's a very serious mess. If you can't see, it is very dangerous. There is no way to drive in most of the area. Literally every block has 5-6 huge trees completely across the street. Ambulances and fire trucks have no way to get in most areas.

Building on what Dean said, the most viable reason from my point of view to limit travel when it is dark are all the downed power lines. Many are intertwined with the trees that took them down, so continuing to work at clearing away one's own property (which was my first thought, and initial objection to preventing me from being out in my own yard if I lived there) could be quite dangerous. Even those lines that aren't amongst the tree branches would be dangerous, as again, you can't necessarily see where they are.

Yet another reason given this morning by Rybak was that there is a large amount of debris on the roads, certainly in the hardest hit area, but also sometimes blocks away from there as well. This debris has been wreaking havoc on the tires of emergency vehicles, and certainly increases the chances of other vehicles getting flat tires.

[ComradeBurg]

arbitrarily selected times

It's not so arbitrary. It's the time period when there is no sun. And since there is no power for electric lights, it makes sense. My son and I got pretty close to the affected area. It's a very serious mess. If you can't see, it is very dangerous. There is no way to drive in most of the area. Literally every block has 5-6 huge trees completely across the street. Ambulances and fire trucks have no way to get in most areas.

Building on what Dean said, the most viable reason from my point of view to limit travel when it is dark are all the downed power lines. Many are intertwined with the trees that took them down, so continuing to work at clearing away one's own property (which was my first thought, and initial objection to preventing me from being out in my own yard if I lived there) could be quite dangerous. Even those lines that aren't amongst the tree branches would be dangerous, as again, you can't necessarily see where they are.

Yet another reason given this morning by Rybak was that there is a large amount of debris on the roads, certainly in the hardest hit area, but also sometimes blocks away from there as well. This debris has been wreaking havoc on the tires of emergency vehicles, and certainly increases the chances of other vehicles getting flat tires.

In that case throw up signs warning people that the area is dangerous and urge against traveling into the affected areas. That I would be fine with but I have a major issue with government officials telling me where I can and can't go. I do not need the nanny state using force to prevent me from "putting myself in danger." Those who wish to enter a dangerous area can take the responsibility for doing so into their own hands.

[jgalt]

Building on what Dean said, the most viable reason from my point of view to limit travel when it is dark are all the downed power lines. Many are intertwined with the trees that took them down, so continuing to work at clearing away one's own property (which was my first thought, and initial objection to preventing me from being out in my own yard if I lived there) could be quite dangerous. Even those lines that aren't amongst the tree branches would be dangerous, as again, you can't necessarily see where they are.

Yet another reason given this morning by Rybak was that there is a large amount of debris on the roads, certainly in the hardest hit area, but also sometimes blocks away from there as well. This debris has been wreaking havoc on the tires of emergency vehicles, and certainly increases the chances of other vehicles getting flat tires.

In that case throw up signs warning people that the area is dangerous and urge against traveling into the affected areas. That I would be fine with but I have a major issue with government officials telling me where I can and can't go. I do not need the nanny state using force to prevent me from "putting myself in danger." Those who wish to enter a dangerous area can take the responsibility for doing so into their own hands.

Don't mistake the relating of what I consider to be reasonable reasons for authorities to want to limit a law abiding citizen's mobility with a sanction of that desire...

[macphisto]

In that case throw up signs warning people that the area is dangerous and urge against traveling into the affected areas. That I would be fine with but I have a major issue with government officials telling me where I can and can't go. I do not need the nanny state using force to prevent me from "putting myself in danger." Those who wish to enter a dangerous area can take the responsibility for doing so into their own hands.

In theory, I agree wholeheartedly. However, I think it's pretty well established that the majority of people are just far too stupid to take full responsibility for their own safety.

[DeanC]

In that case throw up signs warning people that the area is dangerous and urge against traveling into the affected areas. That I would be fine with but I have a major issue with government officials telling me where I can and can't go. I do not need the nanny state using force to prevent me from "putting myself in danger." Those who wish to enter a dangerous area can take the responsibility for doing so into their own hands.

In theory, I agree wholeheartedly. However, I think it's pretty well established that the majority of people are just far too stupid to take full responsibility for their own safety.

Yes, and how are you going to get them out of there once they hurt themselves or somebody else?

[DeanC]

UPDATE:

Minneapolis has determined that no curfew will be needed tonight.

[traveler]

UPDATE:

Minneapolis has determined that no curfew will be needed tonight.

I take it that the liquor stores in the affected area are pretty much empty by now?




With all due respect to the liquor stores.

[ComradeBurg]

In that case throw up signs warning people that the area is dangerous and urge against traveling into the affected areas. That I would be fine with but I have a major issue with government officials telling me where I can and can't go. I do not need the nanny state using force to prevent me from "putting myself in danger." Those who wish to enter a dangerous area can take the responsibility for doing so into their own hands.

In theory, I agree wholeheartedly. However, I think it's pretty well established that the majority of people are just far too stupid to take full responsibility for their own safety.

Yes, and how are you going to get them out of there once they hurt themselves or somebody else?

Although the whole curfew fiasco is not longer in play I'll still answer this for the sake of discussion. If somebody enters the "exclusion zone" and gets themselves in trouble it is their responsibility to get themselves out. If they need to be rescued then they can pay for the privilege if anybody is willing to provide the service.

It's sort of like people who go hiking into the Alaskan wilderness. They know there is danger in doing so and if they are injured there may not be a rescue attempt. They take responsibility for the hike into their own hands and if an unfortunate scenario befalls them that is their problem. If we are going to allow police officers to use force to prevent people from doing stupid things we're going to need far more barriers and police officers.

[farmerj]

stupid people will do what stupid people will do...

regardless of what they are told.

So go help em out....

And send them the bill. See how much people can afford being stupid.

[tman]

you people.

You people?
You People?
YOU PEOPLE?

What?

[hammAR]

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