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From KSTP News today: MIRAc -MN Immigrants Rights Action Coa

Postby JohninMinnesota on Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:38 pm

I can't find the story on KSTP's website (EDIT: http://kstp.com/article/stories/S349392.shtml?cat=1 found it...), but found some more on this group. They are petitioning Pawlenty because he wants to tighten up enforcement of immigration laws (of all things). What is wrong with this picture? Illegal immigrants are criminals and are costing Americans a lot of money, resources and room in our jails that could be used for our own failures. Other than that, I really like them. At what point does illegal become irrelevant, and how can illegal immigrants go parading around our state without being arrested?

(I highlighted a couple of my favorite quotes)

From the Minnesota Daily:

http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2008/02/18/72165626

More than 300 people marched in Phillips neighborhood Saturday in protest of executive orders that immigration activists say are problematic.
Last month, Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty signed an executive order mandating businesses and state government agencies with state contracts valued at more than $5,000 to perform immigration checks on all of their employees through a program called E-Verify. Pawlenty also ordered the suspension of the separation ordinance, which would require local police to enforce immigration law.

On Saturday, protesters joined the Minnesota Immigration Rights Action Coalition in a march against the executive orders through Minneapolis' Phillips neighborhood.

This is the second march the group has held since it formed two years ago, when Pawlenty made similar proposals.

Kathryn Sharpe, University graduate student and member of the group, said the suspension of the separation ordinance will cause a lot of problems.

"We hope to bring attention to what the governor has proposed," she said. "If the proposal goes through, immigrants won't call the police because of fear and that is a dangerous situation for everybody."

MIRAC is also sending three letters to Pawlenty, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., and Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., to open communication between immigrants and these officials, Sharpe said.

The original author of the letters was José Luis Cortez, a member of MIRAC and a Mexican immigrant.

"It would be a really bad experience to have this proposal accepted," he said, through translation by Sharpe. "We don't want the governor to feel like we're not working with him. What hurts us is that he's not taking us into account."

Daniel Rieff, chairman of Minnesota Young Republicans, said immigration benefits the entire country, but people should follow immigration laws and procedure.

"We want to ensure that people the state hires have not confronted a fraud on the system," Rieff said. "We want to ensure that people the state hires are people that can lawfully work in this country."

Sharpe said the E-Verify program, which is maintained by the federal government, is unreliable and contains inaccurate information.

"It's a massive database and, like any database, there are errors," she said. "You end up with people who are fully qualified to work having some problem coming up. I think we just become some sort of techno-police state and I just don't want that."

David Winkler-Morey, a Minneapolis resident and social worker for Minneapolis schools, said he attended the march because he has seen the direct effect of immigration policy on his students.

"You see families afraid to go to school, afraid to go to public places, afraid to be part of the community," Winkler-Morey said. "If you make a whole class of people illegal you create a situation where some people can't participate in the democratic process."

Kristen Melby, a MIRAC member, said the policies are a political maneuver timed to rile-up voters in an election year.

"We're not going to sit by silently," she said. "No politician can come out and say offensive and racist things that will have a real societal impact."

MIRAC is planning another event for May, and is also creating a support hotline for immigrants.

"We hope to show that immigrants and their allies are still here and are still as passionate as ever," she said. "We want people to be treated with respect, period."


Let's respectfully ask them to leave, then arrest and deport them!
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Re: From KSTP News today: MIRAc -MN Immigrants Rights Action Coa

Postby JohninMinnesota on Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:29 pm

Here is a petition ( http://www.minnesotamajority.org/TakeAction/SigntheImmigrationEnforcementPetition/tabid/131/Default.aspx ) you can sign and send online to support immigration enforcement. They (illegals and their supporters) are signing petitions against the enforcement of the following laws and proposed laws:

Impose significant sanctions on employers that knowingly hire illegal aliens;

Require all state and local agencies to verify the citizenship of an individual prior to providing publicly-funded services or benefits;

Require all state and local law enforcement officers to cooperate with federal immigration officials in the enforcement of our nation's immigration laws;

Declare English as the official language of the state of Minnesota, requiring all state and local agency documents, forms and other printed materials to be produced exclusively in English; and

Require proof of citizenship in order to register to vote in the state of Minnesota
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Postby lenny7 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:32 pm

"It's a massive database and, like any database, there are errors," she said. "You end up with people who are fully qualified to work having some problem coming up. I think we just become some sort of techno-police state and I just don't want that."


For a second I though they may have been talking about a database used for background checks prior to a firearms purchase.

"You see families afraid to go to school, afraid to go to public places, afraid to be part of the community," Winkler-Morey said. "If you make a whole class of people illegal you create a situation where some people can't participate in the democratic process."


Correct me if I"m wrong, but if the immigration laws were in place before they got here, then it seems to me they made themselves illegal by virtue of breaking the law.

"We hope to show that immigrants and their allies are still here and are still as passionate as ever," she said. "We want people to be treated with respect, period."


I just want people to follow the law. I respect people that follow the law.

The few immigrants I've met have been great folks and VERY hard working. They're not looking for a hand out (at least not until the lefties get to them), they're just looking for a better way of life for themselves and their families, just like most of our ancestors. I respect that greatly. It's not easy to leave your homeland and start all over again.

That said, there's no gray area in this. I'm not an isolationist, but clearly, if you break the law to get here, you're illegal. It can't get any simpler than that. If we don't enforce our laws, then it makes a mockery of our judicial system.

I have more respect for these bozos if, instead of condoning illegal activity, they tried to change the law to make it easier for immigrants to come here. I may not agree with it, but at least they'd be going about it the right way.
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Postby JohninMinnesota on Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:23 am

My sister-in-law is a Mexican immigrant (is it still okay to call her "Mexican"?), and my nieces and nephews born of her here in the US are all *US Citizens*. I would trade them for some of my "other family" in a heartbeat.

I am not intolerant of what people are. I am intolerant of what they *do*. When you start off as a criminal, things are only going to snowball. It is a criminal act to come here illegally, or stay here beyond the visa.

Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.

Yes, it is simplistic to say "deport em all", but when does it stop? I support border control - let' assume anyone who is trying to get here illegally is a criminal. That would be a good start.
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Postby GregM on Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:00 am

If these MIRAC loonies insist that illegals have a right to the same services as citizens, they will also support any separatist ethnic group that rejects American laws.
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Postby Aceq2jot on Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:27 am

JohninMinnesota wrote:My sister-in-law is a Mexican immigrant (is it still okay to call her "Mexican"?), and my nieces and nephews born of her here in the US are all *US Citizens*. I would trade them for some of my "other family" in a heartbeat.

I am not intolerant of what people are. I am intolerant of what they *do*. When you start off as a criminal, things are only going to snowball. It is a criminal act to come here illegally, or stay here beyond the visa.

Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.

Yes, it is simplistic to say "deport em all", but when does it stop? I support border control - let' assume anyone who is trying to get here illegally is a criminal. That would be a good start.


Me Nieghbor Tom is a Mexican Immigrant who busts his arse to keep his house. He works two jobs 7 days a week so that he can do that.

There are a couple of people staying with him one is a white chick and the other is her Husband an Illegal alien who has already been deported once and will soon be again after i make a couple of calls. He was deported a couple of years ago, because he is a gang banger and was busted doing criminal activity :o :o :o

And the best part is she has a Permit to purchase so he doesnt have to try and buy a gun on the street and pay street prices :o

The sad part is there are ggod and bad mixed in, but i have to agree if they broke the law to get here they need to go back.
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Postby chunkstyle on Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:40 am

Read about the stuff people went through on Ellis Island. These guys have it easy.

At minimum, we should have a border check, fingerprint and photograph each one, and maybe check them for TB. Anyone trying to by pass this should be regarded as dangerous.

My ancestors had it tougher still, trying to scratch existence out of raw wilderness, while fighting off angry locals.

We have laws for a reason. Enforce them or repeal them.
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Postby Burnsville Guy on Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:54 pm

chunkstyle wrote:Read about the stuff people went through on Ellis Island. These guys have it easy.

At minimum, we should have a border check, fingerprint and photograph each one, and maybe check them for TB. Anyone trying to by pass this should be regarded as dangerous.

My ancestors had it tougher still, trying to scratch existence out of raw wilderness, while fighting off angry locals.

We have laws for a reason. Enforce them or repeal them.


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