Permit holder kills mugger in S. Minneapolis!

[Heffay]

And the dead guy? I'm sure he was just turning his life around but...]

Oh I see. You're saying he deserved to die.

[xd ED]

I'd like to know more about the accomplice. Because there was a death, if she was involved in the crime in any way she should at the very least be charged with manslaughter as an accessory.

This was one of my interests/ concerns as soon as I heard she was released.

[Squib Joe]

And the dead guy? I'm sure he was just turning his life around but...]

Oh I see. You're saying he deserved to die.

Is that what I said? Because I don't remember that.

I will say that if you spend your time pistol-whipping folks to get their grocery money, you should fully expect that you might get killed while doing it.

[bstrawse]

And the dead guy? I'm sure he was just turning his life around but...]

Oh I see. You're saying he deserved to die.

Is that what I said? Because I don't remember that.

I will say that if you spend your time pistol-whipping folks to get their grocery money, you should fully expect that you might get killed while doing it.

+1

[rugersol]

if the facts remain as they appear to be now, and you were sitting on the jury for this this man's murder trial, would you vote to convict?

I served on a jury more than a few years ago ... and no, it weren't about a "well".

It was a criminal case ... not a huge deal ... our initial vote was 10-2 guilty ... I was one of the 2 ... the soccer moms didn't surprise me ... particularly 'cause the "perp" was a woman ... what surprised me was the "men" who also wanted to "put her away". One woman's comment was "I wanna put her away for the open bottle" ... brought up as "evidence", but had nothing to do with the charges.

It took a couple hours ... in the end, we had 11-1 not guilty ... and the one guy popped up and said "I think she did it, but I wanna go home, now".

I couldn't believe it even went to trial. But, when ya consider, if one guy, and/or myself, hadn't been in that jury, that woman woulda been found guilty ... in seconds! ... I 'spose, never say never!

[tazdevil]

As I read through this I remember a question I posted on here a little while back about the permits and if we should follow Utah's example and add our photo's to them. I also remember the "pistol whipping" I received on here asking that very question and people attributing it to the same thing as having a "conceal/carry badge" (which could be determined as impersonating a Police Officer, not something I'd ever suggest doing). Yet here, if the original news article is quoting the carry holder's OWN WORDS correctly, that's exactly what happened. IN HIS OWN WORDS, he stated that the mugger fled when he showed up, and he gave chase......Now here's where I have the problem: He gave chase, but did he check on the victim first to see if she needed any immediate help? She was pistol whipped (potential head injury-very serious situation needing immediate medical attention). Plus in giving chase, is he no longer acting as joe public and now acting as Law enforcement?

In addition, here's a second scenario that could've developed (and may now that gang bangers know permit holders will defend themselves violently if necessary-which I completely believe in to defend self/family). He gives chase, goes around a corner into a alley following, and Mr. Mugger has his hoodlum gang waiting around the corner with all their weapons drawn. Put yourself in that situation, only the Terminator or Chuck Norris are going to be walking back out of that alley corner on their own 2 feet (unless the permit holder had a grenade, but then he/she would have many other problems).

[xd ED]

As I read through this I remember a question I posted on here a little while back about the permits and if we should follow Utah's example and add our photo's to them. I also remember the "pistol whipping" I received on here asking that very question and people attributing it to the same thing as having a "conceal/carry badge" (which could be determined as impersonating a Police Officer, not something I'd ever suggest doing). Yet here, if the original news article is quoting the carry holder's OWN WORDS correctly, that's exactly what happened. IN HIS OWN WORDS, he stated that the mugger fled when he showed up, and he gave chase......Now here's where I have the problem: He gave chase, but did he check on the victim first to see if she needed any immediate help? She was pistol whipped (potential head injury-very serious situation needing immediate medical attention). Plus in giving chase, is he no longer acting as joe public and now acting as Law enforcement?

In addition, here's a second scenario that could've developed (and may now that gang bangers know permit holders will defend themselves violently if necessary-which I completely believe in to defend self/family). He gives chase, goes around a corner into a alley following, and Mr. Mugger has his hoodlum gang waiting around the corner with all their weapons drawn. Put yourself in that situation, only the Terminator or Chuck Norris are going to be walking back out of that alley corner on their own 2 feet (unless the permit holder had a grenade, but then he/she would have many other problems).

I missed the earlier discussion you refer to, so please inform me: What value do you perceive from adding a photo to a permit card. After all, it is a card, not a badge.
As far as speculating as to what happened in this incident and why- ain't gonna be done by me.

[tazdevil]

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19172

I thought it would give the card more security to have our faces on it, not for purposes of a "badge" as that threads direction took.

[westhope]

http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19172

I thought it would give the card more security to have our faces on it, not for purposes of a "badge" as that threads direction took.

Do you have any instances where someone tried to use a Permit to Carry of another person?

The only reason to show ones Permit to Carry is to a Police Officer when requested. No one else has a right to demand to see your Permit to Carry.

[Squib Joe]

The only reason to show ones Permit to Carry is to a Police Officer when requested.

Or when using the permit to purchase a firearm. Even then it has to be supported with another photo ID.

[Pinnacle]

STFU

[/i]

As I read through this I remember a question I posted on here a little while back about the permits and if we should follow Utah's example and add our photo's to them. I also remember the "pistol whipping" I received on here asking that very question and people attributing it to the same thing as having a "conceal/carry badge" (which could be determined as impersonating a Police Officer, not something I'd ever suggest doing). Yet here, if the original news article is quoting the carry holder's OWN WORDS correctly, that's exactly what happened. IN HIS OWN WORDS, he stated that the mugger fled when he showed up, and he gave chase......Now here's where I have the problem: He gave chase, but did he check on the victim first to see if she needed any immediate help? She was pistol whipped (potential head injury-very serious situation needing immediate medical attention). Plus in giving chase, is he no longer acting as joe public and now acting as Law enforcement?

In addition, here's a second scenario that could've developed (and may now that gang bangers know permit holders will defend themselves violently if necessary-which I completely believe in to defend self/family). He gives chase, goes around a corner into a alley following, and Mr. Mugger has his hoodlum gang waiting around the corner with all their weapons drawn. Put yourself in that situation, only the Terminator or Chuck Norris are going to be walking back out of that alley corner on their own 2 feet (unless the permit holder had a grenade, but then he/she would have many other problems).

[tazdevil]

Why should I do that Pinnacle, I thought we were on here to debate such things, not get uptight about them when someone doesn't see things your way.

[Charlie Lima]

Personally if I seen this happen I would have pursued as well. I think there is a pretty good chance this guy is in trouble, but I'd rather throw him a parade. If more men acted like he did there would be less jackasses pistol whipping old ladies.

[goalie]

Why should I do that Pinnacle, I thought we were on here to debate such things, not get uptight about them when someone doesn't see things your way.

Because you going on a public forum and stating that you have a problem with the shooting is certainly not going to help. If you are not helping, than maybe a big cup of STFU is prudent. I'm sure that there will be enough wailing and hand-wringing from people who don't think you should be allowed to own a gun, let alone carry one.

With friends like these....

That goes for a LOT of people in this (stupid) thread.

[Pinnacle]

There is nothing to debate, you don't know any of the facts at all, weren't there, and conjecture doesn't help. What we don't know about the situation would fill a warehouse.

So your critique is unwise, unwarranted, and certainly doesn't help this guy.