Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

[infidel]

I do not agree with this man's business acumen, I do however believe he has the right to refuse service to anyone. No one has the right to buy my stuff, I alone should have the right to sell it.

[Heffay]

I'm conflicted on this topic. I agree with the right to refuse service. I just have a huge problem with refusing support for someone because of their race.

This guy needs to be hit by a bus so I can sleep better at night.

[tweener]

I don't agree with the way he chooses to run his business. However, I have confidence that in a free-market system his business would do about as good as it should. And, that is the way it should be. If I want to ban an ethnic group from my restaurant I should be able to do so without the government sticking its nose in my PRIVATE business.

exactly.....as Rand Paul has argued....

Discrimination should only be outlawed in PUBLIC sector, not private.....We discriminate all the time.....just stop and think about it.....if you didn't pre-judge and discriminate....we would call you a fool and niave.

[Heffay]

I don't agree with the way he chooses to run his business. However, I have confidence that in a free-market system his business would do about as good as it should. And, that is the way it should be. If I want to ban an ethnic group from my restaurant I should be able to do so without the government sticking its nose in my PRIVATE business.

exactly.....as Rand Paul has argued....

Discrimination should only be outlawed in PUBLIC sector, not private.....We discriminate all the time.....just stop and think about it.....if you didn't pre-judge and discriminate....we would call you a fool and niave.

Cain and others would have a hell of a time in your world.

[JeremiahMN]

This guy should just call it a church. He could give training to the congregation, weasel around the discrimination laws, get some great tax breaks, and preach hate and fairy tails all day. Win win...

[tweener]

If I want to ban an ethnic group from my restaurant I should be able to do so without the government sticking its nose in my PRIVATE business.

This is a very bad road to go down. If your rights to run a business are absolute, you can make arguments for removing other limitations, such as letting the Ford company dump all their motor oil in the Mississippi (the invisible hand will clean it up!), or serving e-coli rat meat as Kobe beef burgers (hey, if they don't like the taste they can not come back, amirite??).

There should be some reasonable regulations when you're running a business. Restriction on denying service to someone because of their race should probably fit under the "reasonable" category. You can put up as many confederate flags as you want and say what you want, but outright denying...not so much.

what does dumping oil in the missisipi have to do with a business owner choosing WHEN WHERE HOW and WHOM he does business with?

I have seen several times people question ON THIS FORUM, about selling a gun to so and so.......If non-discrimination laws applied to private sale of guns, as long as the guy had a permit to purchase or a permit to carry, you would have to sell to him, no matter how fishy the deal was........

Are you saying that as a business owner I can not look at a person......get a a feeling that he is going to be a complete pain in the ass customer, that ends up costing my business money...and refuse to do business with him? Businesses do this all the time..... One should be able to do business whih or WITHOUT whomever they choose, and let the MARKET put thim out of business if those choices are BAD acording to the general population.....

I am only defending this guy on the grounds that this was SUPPOSED to be a free country......and to me, that means PRIVATE people being able to FREELY choose who they associate with.....doing business with someone, is associating with someone. If I open a BOYS camp, and I exclude girls, is that ok? If I run a catholic mens "lodge" do I have to allow muslims in? If I own a Post addict counseling center, do I have to conduct business with current addicts?

We discriminate all the time....its just that some groups are more powerfull than others, and make laws against discriminating against their particular group. Whites are discriminated against MUCH more than blacks or other ethnic groups....and it is right out in the open.......

Cant wait to see what would happen when the Congresional White Caucus starts up, or the Association for the advancement of White People, or the Anglo-saxton college fund.

[tweener]

I don't agree with the way he chooses to run his business. However, I have confidence that in a free-market system his business would do about as good as it should. And, that is the way it should be. If I want to ban an ethnic group from my restaurant I should be able to do so without the government sticking its nose in my PRIVATE business.

exactly.....as Rand Paul has argued....

Discrimination should only be outlawed in PUBLIC sector, not private.....We discriminate all the time.....just stop and think about it.....if you didn't pre-judge and discriminate....we would call you a fool and niave.

Cain and others would have a hell of a time in your world.

who is cain?

[EAJuggalo]

I have seen several times people question ON THIS FORUM, about selling a gun to so and so.......If non-discrimination laws applied to private sale of guns, as long as the guy had a permit to purchase or a permit to carry, you would have to sell to him, no matter how fishy the deal was........

No, but we would say that you can't refuse to sell someone a gun based on their skin color, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

Are you saying that as a business owner I can not look at a person......get a a feeling that he is going to be a complete pain in the ass customer, that ends up costing my business money...and refuse to do business with him? Businesses do this all the time..... One should be able to do business whih or WITHOUT whomever they choose, and let the MARKET put thim out of business if those choices are BAD acording to the general population.....

No, we are saying that there are some things that are just discriminatory and can not be allowed in a civilized society. Would you like to go back to separate drinking fountains and only whites in the front of the bus too?

[tweener]

To answer you.......YES! I am in full agreement with Senator Rand Paul on this subject.

------If the drinking fountains were in a private business...yes, I do beleive that should be legal......but the place would not be in business long......Al sharpton would likely be there with an army in no time.....proving exactly what I am trying to say......the MARKET will self regulate these types of things for the most part.

As for buses......private for hire bus service....Sure,.....I know of no such bus companies in the US.....only "profitable" charter type services are usually done by private bus companies.......as for public type (MTC) busses....of course those should not allow any discrimination.....they are owned by all of us...how can any public sector entity discriminate without discriminating against one of it's owners/stockholders.

I know this may sound foreign to many liberals, but as a classical liberal, I beleive in MAXIMUM freedom.....As much as humanly possible with out directly inflicting harm on another, and not infringing on someone elses freedoms.......Freedom to be a racist jackA$$ pig, is part of maximum freedom. Anything less than maximum freedom means we must try harder....

[tman]

This part though, is irrefutable:

"We will attempt to teach you all the necessary information you need to obtain your [Concealed Handgun License]," the ad says. Then towards the end, it adds: "If you are a socialist liberal and/or voted for the current campaigner in chief, please do not take this class. You have already proven that you cannot make a knowledgeable and prudent decision under the law."

(sent from a "secure location" via scrambled phone)

[tweener]

This part though, is irrefutable:

"We will attempt to teach you all the necessary information you need to obtain your [Concealed Handgun License]," the ad says. Then towards the end, it adds: "If you are a socialist liberal and/or voted for the current campaigner in chief, please do not take this class. You have already proven that you cannot make a knowledgeable and prudent decision under the law."

(sent from a "secure location" via scrambled phone)

deffinitely some truth to that....but as jason lewis says......resonable people can dissagree.......

As a catholic....I think if you repent.....then it will be O.K. to go ahead and sign up for this class....

[goett047]

Cant wait to see what would happen when the Congresional White Caucus starts up, or the Association for the advancement of White People, or the Anglo-saxton college fund.

I've been saying this for years.

Or White History Month

[PileDriver]

I could care less about the Obama part, that's all opinion blah blah blah. However, I wouldn't give a douchebag like that a dime. He can have his right to refuse. I invoke my right to call him a piece of ****.

This bull **** drives me nuts. Granted, this isn't really the same, but it's a major factor in why I don't care to go to BPR anymore. I have taken a friend of mine (that is not white) there a few times to introduce him into shooting. He's extremely safe, follows every rule, is extremely friendly and respectful, and dresses in a much more professional manner than I do. That said, I am sickened by the way other customers (and a few employees- never Roger or the gal, I forget her name) there look at him and myself. Like, "why did you bring him here?"
**** you.

I guess what I'm getting at is, what's the point? I see his remark about Obama, sure.

"We will attempt to teach you all the necessary information you need to obtain your [Concealed Handgun License]," the ad says. Then towards the end, it adds: "If you are a socialist liberal and/or voted for the current campaigner in chief, please do not take this class. You have already proven that you cannot make a knowledgeable and prudent decision under the law."

Voting is a choice. Being from [where the **** ever] is not. I was BSing with a middle eastern fella wearing a camo Remington cap at Cabela's a few months ago at the shotgun counter. He got his first deer last year with a rifle, and just purchased some land in a shotgun zone. Picked up a shiny new 870. And yet this guy would have been turned away. Lame. **** that guy, I reiterate.

"Why should I arm these people to kill me? That's suicide."

Oh, so a permit to carry is what enables someone to kill you? Good to know. Bet that quote gets used by someone in Brady.

[infidel]

I could care less about the Obama part, that's all opinion blah blah blah. However, I wouldn't give a douchebag like that a dime. He can have his right to refuse. I invoke my right to call him a piece of ****.

This bull **** drives me nuts. Granted, this isn't really the same, but it's a major factor in why I don't care to go to BPR anymore. I have taken a friend of mine (that is not white) there a few times to introduce him into shooting. He's extremely safe, follows every rule, is extremely friendly and respectful, and dresses in a much more professional manner than I do. That said, I am sickened by the way other customers (and a few employees- never Roger or the gal, I forget her name) there look at him and myself. Like, "why did you bring him here?"
**** you.

I guess what I'm getting at is, what's the point? I see his remark about Obama, sure.

"We will attempt to teach you all the necessary information you need to obtain your [Concealed Handgun License]," the ad says. Then towards the end, it adds: "If you are a socialist liberal and/or voted for the current campaigner in chief, please do not take this class. You have already proven that you cannot make a knowledgeable and prudent decision under the law."

Voting is a choice. Being from [where the **** ever] is not. I was BSing with a middle eastern fella wearing a camo Remington cap at Cabela's a few months ago at the shotgun counter. He got his first deer last year with a rifle, and just purchased some land in a shotgun zone. Picked up a shiny new 870. And yet this guy would have been turned away. Lame. **** that guy, I reiterate.

"Why should I arm these people to kill me? That's suicide."

Oh, so a permit to carry is what enables someone to kill you? Good to know. Bet that quote gets used by someone in Brady.

This thread is about a man who does not want to provide carry permit training to a members of a religion/"cult" who want him to die, convert or pay the kaffir tax. The bottom line is, can you sell to whom you want, what you want, at the price you want without someone telling you what to do. In a free market if someone is "discriminated" against, they or someone else will cater to the disenfranchised and make lots of money. I believe it was Tweener in a post earlier who put it more eloquently, but private services should/can discriminate, public services should/can not discriminate. If Hell's Angels came in every night to my diner and trashed the place, I should be able to discriminate against the damn gang bangers. My apologies to any Hell's Angels who may be lurking.

[EAJuggalo]

This thread is about a man who does not want to provide carry permit training to a members of a religion/"cult" who want him to die, convert or pay the kaffir tax. The bottom line is, can you sell to whom you want, what you want, at the price you want without someone telling you what to do. In a free market if someone is "discriminated" against, they or someone else will cater to the disenfranchised and make lots of money. I believe it was Tweener in a post earlier who put it more eloquently, but private services should/can discriminate, public services should/can not discriminate. If Hell's Angels came in every night to my diner and trashed the place, I should be able to discriminate against the damn gang bangers. My apologies to any Hell's Angels who may be lurking.

No, this thread is about a man who doesn't want to teach someone who looks different from him and/or who believes something different from him, even though he has no idea what is different about those beliefs. If Hell's Angels busted up your diner every night your decision not to serve them would be based on an objective fact, I would draw the line if you decided you weren't going to allow white people in because of it.