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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby infidel on Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:31 am

EAJuggalo wrote:
infidel wrote:This thread is about a man who does not want to provide carry permit training to a members of a religion/"cult" who want him to die, convert or pay the kaffir tax. The bottom line is, can you sell to whom you want, what you want, at the price you want without someone telling you what to do. In a free market if someone is "discriminated" against, they or someone else will cater to the disenfranchised and make lots of money. I believe it was Tweener in a post earlier who put it more eloquently, but private services should/can discriminate, public services should/can not discriminate. If Hell's Angels came in every night to my diner and trashed the place, I should be able to discriminate against the damn gang bangers. My apologies to any Hell's Angels who may be lurking.


No, this thread is about a man who doesn't want to teach someone who looks different from him and/or who believes something different from him, even though he has no idea what is different about those beliefs. If Hell's Angels busted up your diner every night your decision not to serve them would be based on an objective fact, I would draw the line if you decided you weren't going to allow white people in because of it.


LOL. This has nothing to do with looks. Read the ******* Koran.
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby infidel on Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:07 am

Heffay wrote:I'm conflicted on this topic. I agree with the right to refuse service. I just have a huge problem with refusing support for someone because of their race.

This guy needs to be hit by a bus so I can sleep better at night.


Last time I checked Islam is not is race.
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby OldmanFCSA on Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:10 am

SO, my business is teaching people how to fly large jets. (not true).

My students come from all over the world to receive my highly regarded flight training.
Many students are truly gifted in learning all they can about flying an airplane.
But a small group of others are not interested in take-offs or landings.
They only wish to be taught how to turn off auto-pilot, how to fly very fast, how to do turns, how to dive the plane and fly at very low altitudes to enable passengers to see into high buildings.

Do I have the right to refuse service for flight training?
Does he have the right to refuse service for handgun training?
Do you have the right to refuse service for eating in your restaurant?

Or are we all "sheeple" nowdays with no rights, unless we ar "........." (you fill in the blank)
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Re: Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby goett047 on Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:01 am

OldmanFCSA wrote:SO, my business is teaching people how to fly large jets. (not true).

My students come from all over the world to receive my highly regarded flight training.
Many students are truly gifted in learning all they can about flying an airplane.
But a small group of others are not interested in take-offs or landings.
They only wish to be taught how to turn off auto-pilot, how to fly very fast, how to do turns, how to dive the plane and fly at very low altitudes to enable passengers to see into high buildings.

Do I have the right to refuse service for flight training?
Does he have the right to refuse service for handgun training?
Do you have the right to refuse service for eating in your restaurant?

Or are we all "sheeple" nowdays with no rights, unless we ar "........." (you fill in the blank)

Yes yes and yes
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby westberg on Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:09 am

It may not be a good business plan or advertising here in MN, but this is in Texas where I'm sure it is very well received.
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby PileDriver on Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:22 am

No argument that he has the right. Yes, he does. He's still a **** stick. :D
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby White Horseradish on Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:57 am

OldmanFCSA wrote:But a small group of others are not interested in take-offs or landings.
They only wish to be taught how to turn off auto-pilot, how to fly very fast, how to do turns, how to dive the plane and fly at very low altitudes to enable passengers to see into high buildings.

Do I have the right to refuse service for flight training?
Do you really see no difference between what one is and how one behaves?
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby OldmanFCSA on Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:49 pm

Yes I see differences, and I still reserve the right to refuse service based on my principles!
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby Dick Unger on Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:15 pm

White Horseradish wrote:
OldmanFCSA wrote:But a small group of others are not interested in take-offs or landings.
They only wish to be taught how to turn off auto-pilot, how to fly very fast, how to do turns, how to dive the plane and fly at very low altitudes to enable passengers to see into high buildings.

Do I have the right to refuse service for flight training?
Do you really see no difference between what one is and how one behaves?


Well it's illegal to operate a public accomodation (carry class certified by a government) and discriminate based on creed. I assume Texas might pull his certifification. But could probably prequalify students. (Don't teach people he thinks don't have enough judgment .)

I'd be glad to know his feelings, I've become involved with guys like him in the past, and it was always a bad day for everyone.
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby DeanC on Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:54 am

infidel wrote:
Heffay wrote:I'm conflicted on this topic. I agree with the right to refuse service. I just have a huge problem with refusing support for someone because of their race.

This guy needs to be hit by a bus so I can sleep better at night.


Last time I checked Islam is not is race.

But Arab is. And he said he will not teach *any* non-Christian Arabs. He is a douche of the highest order.
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby Heffay on Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:30 am

OldmanFCSA wrote:Yes I see differences, and I still reserve the right to refuse service based on my principles!


You will refuse to serve someone at your business due to their race?

Would you care to name your business?
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby goett047 on Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:58 am

Heffay wrote:
OldmanFCSA wrote:Yes I see differences, and I still reserve the right to refuse service based on my principles!


You will refuse to serve someone at your business due to their race?

Would you care to name your business?


What's wrong with a private entity refusing service to anyone for any reason. Technically they don't even need a reason. If you don't like it take you business elsewhere.
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby Heffay on Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:10 pm

goett047 wrote:
Heffay wrote:
OldmanFCSA wrote:Yes I see differences, and I still reserve the right to refuse service based on my principles!


You will refuse to serve someone at your business due to their race?

Would you care to name your business?


What's wrong with a private entity refusing service to anyone for any reason. Technically they don't even need a reason. If you don't like it take you business elsewhere.


He stated he supports the right to refuse service based on race. I'd like to know where he works so I can reserve the right to not to use their services.
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby infidel on Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:19 pm

Heffay wrote:He stated he supports the right to refuse service based on race. I'd like to know where he works so I can reserve the right to not to use their services.


It would appear you would then be discriminating against someone because of their beliefs.
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Re: Carry Instructor Bars Muslims & Obama Supporters

Postby Heffay on Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:20 pm

infidel wrote:
Heffay wrote:He stated he supports the right to refuse service based on race. I'd like to know where he works so I can reserve the right to not to use their services.


It would appear you would then be discriminating against someone because of their beliefs.


Yes. I suspect you don't have a problem with that.
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