George Zimmerman - Florida Unarmed Teen Shooting

[xd ED]

It will continue.

The anti's and libs will not let the facts get in the way of a good tragedy to promote their agenda and get publicity.

I agree.
The news I saw spent the majority of the time playing the store video of trevor buying ice tea and skittles,
'just moments before he was shot and killed", glossing over the facts about his injured knuckles, the drugs found in his system, Zimmerman's multiple injuries, or the eyewitness report that it was Zimmerman, on his back,yelling for help as trevor pummeled him.

[Heffay]

It will continue.

The anti's and libs will not let the facts get in the way of a good tragedy to promote their agenda and get publicity.

I agree.
The news I saw spent the majority of the time playing the store video of trevor buying ice tea and skittles,
'just moments before he was shot and killed", glossing over the facts about his injured knuckles, the drugs found in his system, Zimmerman's multiple injuries, or the eyewitness report that it was Zimmerman, on his back,yelling for help as trevor pummeled him.

Drugs in his system?

Toxicology tests found elements of the drug in the teenager's chest blood -- 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of one type (THC), as well as 7.3 nanograms of another type (THC-COOH) -- according to the medical examiner's report. There also was a presumed positive test of cannabinoids in Martin's urine, according to the medical examiner's report. It was not immediately clear how significant these amounts were.

I believe in the Navy to test positive for THC, you have to reach a threshold of 50ng/ml. That generally indicates you've smoked in the past 3 days beyond a reasonable doubt. And THC generally doesn't make someone violent in any case. It just gives people a case of the munchies. Portraying Trayvon as a druggie isn't exactly any better than what the other side is doing about Zimmerman.

Like most have been suggesting, it looks like Zimmerman was getting his ass beat, and shot his way out of the situation he was a willing participant in.

[grousemaster]

I'm sure this case is very complicated.

I know, isn't it?

[Heffay]

I'm sure this case is very complicated.

I know, isn't it?

Pretty much what I've been expecting all long. Also a good example about why stand your ground laws need a LOT more clarification.

[S.A.]

Like most have been suggesting, it looks like Zimmerman was getting his ass beat, and shot his way out of the situation he was a willing participant in.

Being pinned to the sidewalk and mounted "MMA style" doesn't sound willing to me. I doubt it will to a jury either, if it makes it that far.

[Heffay]

Like most have been suggesting, it looks like Zimmerman was getting his ass beat, and shot his way out of the situation he was a willing participant in.

Being pinned to the sidewalk and mounted "MMA style" doesn't sound willing to me. I doubt it will to a jury either, if it makes it that far.

The beginning of the confrontation doesn't start there, as you well know. Anyone losing in a fight instantly becomes an unwilling participant at that point.

[S.A.]

The beginning of the confrontation doesn't start there, as you well know. Anyone losing in a fight instantly becomes an unwilling participant at that point.

Losing a fight is not the same as being prevented from extricating yourself from the situation, as you well know.

[Heffay]

The beginning of the confrontation doesn't start there, as you well know. Anyone losing in a fight instantly becomes an unwilling participant at that point.

Losing a fight is not the same as being prevented from extricating yourself from the situation, as you well know.

When you ignore the advice a dispatcher gives you to extricate yourself from the sitution, I think your whole "unwilling participant" defense goes out the window.

[S.A.]

When you ignore the advice a dispatcher gives you to extricate yourself from the sitution, I think your whole "unwilling participant" defense goes out the window.

Yeah, I've seen you repeat that falsehood several times in this thread.

1) You are not bound to do anything a 911 dispatcher tells you

2) Walking on a street in your neighborhood, regardless of who is out there, does not negate your right to self-defense.

3) the "situation" which needed extrication was the fight with Martin, not "being outside in my neighborhood."

I think you know all of this, but you've dug yourself in so deep you keep going.

[Heffay]

I see the situation as different. The first two points have absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.

[Paul]

I think you know all of this, but you've dug yourself in so deep you keep going.

[Heffay]

I think you know all of this, but you've dug yourself in so deep you keep going.

Hmm... reminds me that I need to set up an appointment with a proctologist.

[Jeff Bergquist]

I see the situation as different. The first two points have absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.

When this first broke I jumped to the conclusion (possibly from biased reports) that Zimmerman probably provoked the situation by confronting Martin with a "respect mah (imaginary) authoritay" attitude. Since then that scenario seems a lot less likely to me and I believe Zimmerman probably got sucker punched and pummeled by Martin while doing nothing illegal. I don't personally believe that "He provoked me!" is a valid defense to resorting to violence, so I suspect Zimmerman was justified under Florida law and will walk. Time will tell.

[rtk]

When you ignore the advice a dispatcher gives you to extricate yourself from the sitution, I think your whole "unwilling participant" defense goes out the window.

Yeah, I've seen you repeat that falsehood several times in this thread.

1) You are not bound to do anything a 911 dispatcher tells you

2) Walking on a street in your neighborhood, regardless of who is out there, does not negate your right to self-defense.

3) the "situation" which needed extrication was the fight with Martin, not "being outside in my neighborhood."

I think you know all of this, but you've dug yourself in so deep you keep going.

Spot on S.A.!

[Heffay]

I see the situation as different. The first two points have absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.

When this first broke I jumped to the conclusion (possibly from biased reports) that Zimmerman probably provoked the situation by confronting Martin with a "respect mah (imaginary) authoritay" attitude. Since then that scenario seems a lot less likely to me and I believe Zimmerman probably got sucker punched and pummeled by Martin while doing nothing illegal. I don't personally believe that "He provoked me!" is a valid defense to resorting to violence, so I suspect Zimmerman was justified under Florida law and will walk. Time will tell.

I'm more in the grey area here. It looks like it was a completely avoidable situation, but murder isn't the right charge for it. Involuntary manslaughter seems like a much more reasonable definition of what he did. Didn't want to kill him, but made enough bad decisions that he got in a situation that didn't end well for anyone.