Do people not know how to store firearms?

[20mm]

Because there is no such thing as an accident.

Please feel free to explain what sort of accident would allow a child to get access to a firearm. A safe lock failure?

[Heffay]

Because there is no such thing as an accident.

Please feel free to explain what sort of accident would allow a child to get access to a firearm. A safe lock failure?

Why don't you youtube gun safes that 3 year olds can break into.

[xd ED]

Because there is no such thing as an accident.

Please feel free to explain what sort of accident would allow a child to get access to a firearm. A safe lock failure?

You're just about to lock your gun in your mini-vault

You drop the key. It slides under the bed.
Just as you bend down to crawl under the bed, you hear glass breaking, and one of your kids scream in the bathroom

What would YOU do at that moment?

[20mm]

Because there is no such thing as an accident.

Please feel free to explain what sort of accident would allow a child to get access to a firearm. A safe lock failure?

Why don't you youtube gun safes that 3 year olds can break into.

Are you talking about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erGOJxQIf5c

Those safes are not secured properly and the child is being given instructions. If a child did access one of those safes and got hurt it would probably open the company to quite a bit of product liability. I'm not surprised it mentions law offices at the end.

Do you think the company who makes those safes are negligent, or is it just a accidental product design flaw? You would think a product recall would be issued.

[Heffay]

Those safes are not secured properly and the child is being given instructions. If a child did access one of those safes and got hurt it would probably open the company to quite a bit of product liability. I'm not surprised it mentions law offices at the end.

Do you think the company who makes those safes are negligent, or is it just a accidental product design flaw? You would think a product recall would be issued.

So, not an accident then?

[20mm]

Because there is no such thing as an accident.

Please feel free to explain what sort of accident would allow a child to get access to a firearm. A safe lock failure?

You're just about to lock your gun in your mini-vault

You drop the key. It slides under the bed.
Just as you bend down to crawl under the bed, you hear glass breaking, and one of your kids scream in the bathroom

What would YOU do at that moment?

Take my gun with me to investigate what's going on in the bathroom?

[yukonjasper]

How about people that may be too poor to afford a fancy safe,
how about people who have families that they need to feed and to do so they need to put in long hours that don't fit nicely with the school day,
how about people who can't afford day care and need to rely on extended family(potentially too old to do a great job) to watch kids,
how about people who don't read or write english very well,
how about hard working people who fear for the safety of their family because the area they live in is pretty rough but all they can afford,
why do you think that handgun was in the home based on where they lived?
Where in your house would you "hide" a gun that would make it accessible in case you needed it in an emergency.

This is where the empathy part starts - you try to put yourself into someone elses shoes and try to understand the other person point of view. To do otherwise will get you the type of reaction you got. It makes you come across as a cold hearted bastard a-hole who has no idea how to think around an issue to see the other possible points of view that may moderate your initial knee jerk reaction.

The law will take its course with or without your cyberchair quarterbacking and your insensitivity. A rough exterior is easy to portray on the interwebz, we can all be tough guys hiding behind our monitors and keyboards but real life is out there and sometimes it can be a bitch.

[Heffay]

Take my gun with me to investigate what's going on in the bathroom?

You slip on the water on the floor. Your gun comes out of the holster due to plastic fatigue, skips across the floor, and discharges, shooting a retaining bracket on the bathroom mirror. The mirror falls over onto your kid, breaks into a million pieces and impaling him multiple times. You go to prevent him from removing the shards so he doesn't bleed out, but in an attempt to restrain him you fall on top of him killing him with your weight.

Accident? Or the fault of Jenny Craig?

[20mm]

Those safes are not secured properly and the child is being given instructions. If a child did access one of those safes and got hurt it would probably open the company to quite a bit of product liability. I'm not surprised it mentions law offices at the end.

Do you think the company who makes those safes are negligent, or is it just a accidental product design flaw? You would think a product recall would be issued.

So, not an accident then?

I don't believe I ever said accidents don't occur, but many things are the direct result of someones negligence.

[Thunder71]

Holiday stress is really bringing out the worst in people lately...

[20mm]

How about people that may be too poor to afford a fancy safe,
how about people who have families that they need to feed and to do so they need to put in long hours that don't fit nicely with the school day,
how about people who can't afford day care and need to rely on extended family(potentially too old to do a great job) to watch kids,
how about people who don't read or write english very well,
how about hard working people who fear for the safety of their family because the area they live in is pretty rough but all they can afford,
why do you think that handgun was in the home based on where they lived?
Where in your house would you "hide" a gun that would make it accessible in case you needed it in an emergency.

This is where the empathy part starts - you try to put yourself into someone elses shoes and try to understand the other person point of view. To do otherwise will get you the type of reaction you got. It makes you come across as a cold hearted bastard a-hole who has no idea how to think around an issue to see the other possible points of view that may moderate your initial knee jerk reaction.

The law will take its course with or without your cyberchair quarterbacking and your insensitivity. A rough exterior is easy to portray on the interwebz, we can all be tough guys hiding behind our monitors and keyboards but real life is out there and sometimes it can be a bitch.

Did I ever say the family is to blame?

edit: yes I admit got confused with the dual shooting incidents the Star and Tribune had. They even have the same last names!

[Heffay]

Did I ever say the family is to blame?

In the context of this shooting is anyone on this forum going to argue this wasn't caused by negligence? In light of the new information that would be really silly.

In the context of this shooting, we're going to have empathy for the family and the loss of their child.

[20mm]

Did I ever say the family is to blame?

In the context of this shooting is anyone on this forum going to argue this wasn't caused by negligence? In light of the new information that would be really silly.

In the context of this shooting, we're going to have empathy for the family and the loss of their child.

I have empathy for the child and anyone who wasn't negligent but yet affected by the death.

[Heffay]

I have empathy for the child and anyone who wasn't negligent but yet affected by the death.

Got it. Continue on with your operating then.

[20mm]

I have empathy for the child and anyone who wasn't negligent but yet affected by the death.

Got it. Continue on with your operating then.

You too.