Father badly beaten for trying to protect his daugher

[JohninMinnesota]

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Another question would be, Why does Valley Fair babysit the dregs of society on a daily basis? I've stopped going to the park because every time I'm there, there are a thousand buses dropping off 10,000 unsupervised kids. It not only makes the lines impossible, but the vulgar and offensive behavior is more than I'm willing to tolerate.

They do it to make MONEY! And they make a lot of it. Yep, a good reason to avoid those places! Avoid Disney too... DISNEY SUCKS.

[Stradawhovious]

......................... Let the cops deal with the thugs. If they patted your teenager's ass, then call the police and file a complaint (is it illegal to pat an ass?). Go home without a caved in skull!

Now to play a little devil's advocate... (a foreword, I am in no way advocating the actions of the victim, you are right that a caved in skull is not a good tradoff for a pat on the as$) If this man did nothing more than call the police, by the time the police arrived, all the man could do was say "it was a group of (insert generic all encompassing description here) males, they went that a way" These people would have more than likely walked, now knowing that they can gt away with the less harmful sexual deviant behaviour, only to potentially subdue and gang-rape (maybe even kill) several other victims (one of them may very well have been his own daughter). Instead, now these dregs of society are now behind bars for a very VERY serious crime, and if there is justice in this world they will remain there for a long time, and said victim will, with any luck, have a speedy and full recovery (we can only hope). This lesser illegal behaviour needs to be addressed to help banish the worse behaviour that is enivetibly going to follow. Was the better choice to just walk away? Probably. Did this man potentially save the lives of others through his actions? I would like to think so. (but then again I don't have a crystal ball) Simply saying that we need to avoid the situations where there might be a potential conflict would restrict us to our home with the doors locked, and allow problems to spread.

[DeanC]

I have discovered the following to generally be an unpleasant experience in regards to Valleyfair:

1. Going when school is not in session
2. Going on a major holiday
3. Leaving at closing time with the mob who doesn't want to leave

[Pinnacle]

All that I have to say is this - another tragedy that could have been possibly prevented by the presence of a firearm and some parents that actually supervised their children.

[Stradawhovious]

I have discovered the following to generally be an unpleasant experience in regards to Valleyfair:

1. Going when school is not in session
2. Going on a major holiday
3. Leaving at closing time with the mob who doesn't want to leave

My list is somewhat shorter

1. Going to Valley Fair. Period.

[rucker]

Now to play a little devil's advocate... (a foreword, I am in no way advocating the actions of the victim, you are right that a caved in skull is not a good tradoff for a pat on the as$) If this man did nothing more than call the police, by the time the police arrived, all the man could do was say "it was a group of (insert generic all encompassing description here) males, they went that a way" These people would have more than likely walked, now knowing that they can gt away with the less harmful sexual deviant behaviour, only to potentially subdue and gang-rape (maybe even kill) several other victims (one of them may very well have been his own daughter). Instead, now these dregs of society are now behind bars for a very VERY serious crime, and if there is justice in this world they will remain there for a long time, and said victim will, with any luck, have a speedy and full recovery (we can only hope). This lesser illegal behaviour needs to be addressed to help banish the worse behaviour that is enivetibly going to follow. Was the better choice to just walk away? Probably. Did this man potentially save the lives of others through his actions? I would like to think so. (but then again I don't have a crystal ball) Simply saying that we need to avoid the situations where there might be a potential conflict would restrict us to our home with the doors locked, and allow problems to spread.

Well put IMO.

You should, of course, pick your battles (lone guy with young daughter... probably let this one slide) but I don't agree with everyone avoiding all conflict at all costs. There is nothing wrong or illegal about chastising someone. The reason that there are so many rude ******** in public is because nobody dares say anything to them and that needs to change.

[hammAR]

........as well as calling a 41 year old and "old guy"........................

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[rucker]

........as well as calling a 41 year old and "old guy"........................

I didn't even remember how old he was. I'm saying that, in general when it comes to "picking your battles", a lone guy versus 6 younger guys probably isn't going to be a fair fight.

[princewally]

........as well as calling a 41 year old and "old guy"........................

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Don't be so elitist. You can let some of the pups into your 'old guy' club.

[JohninMinnesota]

......................... Let the cops deal with the thugs. If they patted your teenager's ass, then call the police and file a complaint (is it illegal to pat an ass?). Go home without a caved in skull!

Now to play a little devil's advocate... (a foreword, I am in no way advocating the actions of the victim, you are right that a caved in skull is not a good tradoff for a pat on the as$) If this man did nothing more than call the police, by the time the police arrived, all the man could do was say "it was a group of (insert generic all encompassing description here) males, they went that a way" These people would have more than likely walked, now knowing that they can gt away with the less harmful sexual deviant behaviour, only to potentially subdue and gang-rape (maybe even kill) several other victims (one of them may very well have been his own daughter). Instead, now these dregs of society are now behind bars for a very VERY serious crime,

Should have been attempted murder. Kicking a human in the dome is clearly an attempt to do damage that will either mame or kill that person. Period.

and if there is justice in this world they will remain there for a long time, and said victim will, with any luck, have a speedy and full recovery (we can only hope).

At most, they will get a year in jail... at most. More than likely, they will get probation.

This lesser illegal behaviour needs to be addressed to help banish the worse behaviour that is enivetibly going to follow. Was the better choice to just walk away? Probably. Did this man potentially save the lives of others through his actions? I would like to think so. (but then again I don't have a crystal ball) Simply saying that we need to avoid the situations where there might be a potential conflict would restrict us to our home with the doors locked, and allow problems to spread.

Well, I prefer not to get into a situation where I am going to be mamed or killed without my consent. It is kinda like Sigfried and Roy... I don't feel a bit sorry for a fool who gets mauled by a tiger or lion when they are in there messing around with em. I don't feel too bad for a fool who gets mugged at night in a bad part of town either. Now, the mugger ought to have his gonads severed by Jesse Jackass in a public forum, but, I think the victim was taking a risk. I choose to "take a risk" with a little more insurance than a sheep, but I still acknowledge the risk.

If we were really to address this issue, we would each be getting laws passed to PUNISH AND ELIMINATE violent criminals from society, and for lesser offenses we would each be required to help with sharpening utensils for Jesse Jackass to cut their nuts off when proven guilty.

Crime would decrease. Guaranteed.

[hammAR]

........as well as calling a 41 year old and "old guy"........................

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Don't be so elitist. You can let some of the pups into your 'old guy' club.

OK, you are in............

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[JohninMinnesota]

Now to play a little devil's advocate... (a foreword, I am in no way advocating the actions of the victim, you are right that a caved in skull is not a good tradoff for a pat on the as$) If this man did nothing more than call the police, by the time the police arrived, all the man could do was say "it was a group of (insert generic all encompassing description here) males, they went that a way" These people would have more than likely walked, now knowing that they can gt away with the less harmful sexual deviant behaviour, only to potentially subdue and gang-rape (maybe even kill) several other victims (one of them may very well have been his own daughter). Instead, now these dregs of society are now behind bars for a very VERY serious crime, and if there is justice in this world they will remain there for a long time, and said victim will, with any luck, have a speedy and full recovery (we can only hope). This lesser illegal behaviour needs to be addressed to help banish the worse behaviour that is enivetibly going to follow. Was the better choice to just walk away? Probably. Did this man potentially save the lives of others through his actions? I would like to think so. (but then again I don't have a crystal ball) Simply saying that we need to avoid the situations where there might be a potential conflict would restrict us to our home with the doors locked, and allow problems to spread.

Well put IMO.

You should, of course, pick your battles (lone guy with young daughter... probably let this one slide) but I don't agree with everyone avoiding all conflict at all costs. There is nothing wrong or illegal about chastising someone. The reason that there are so many rude jerkfaces in public is because nobody dares say anything to them and that needs to change.

Oh, I pity the fool that tries to grope my 12 year old daughter - can't predict what, or how, but I am certain the outcome wouldn't be pleasant for him... and as for rudeness, allowing someone to penetrate your sphere with words and harsh looks is not very ninja like. Break the wrist and walk away - break the wrist and walk away... engaging someone in a shouting match is almost certainly going to escalate the issue, and in a situation like this (Valley Fair at midnight after a large event) it will most certainly end up in fisticuffs. These little fighting cocks are raring to go, looking for any excuse to engage. Take notes, get descriptions to the cops, and protect your dome.

[chunkstyle]

At most, they will get a year in jail... at most. More than likely, they will get probation.

Nah, most of them are probably already on probation. So, they will get... longer probation!

[justaguy]

http://www.startribune.com/local/254727 ... tModules:1

They are out on bail.

[JohninMinnesota]

At most, they will get a year in jail... at most. More than likely, they will get probation.

Nah, most of them are probably already on probation. So, they will get... longer probation!

Yes, you are right. And they will probably get a curfew as well.