School Shooting Prevention(incl discussion of mental health)

[Snakeman721]

What I haven't seen anyone post yet is the influence of very realistic violent video games on young minds (6-7 year old) that should NOT be playing them. It desensitizes them to violence. Along with Hollywood and the absolute crap coming out of there! More violence, more explosions, more hate. Pick ANY "reality" show...ANY one of them....and you see one person getting in the face of another, bad mouthing them, sometimes getting into fights. Why? Because confrontation SELLS! Look at what passes as "boxing" on TV now days....all out beating the living crap out of another human being using your hands, feet, head, whatever...and beating the other guy to a bloody pulp. The past 15 to 20 years of this violent crap has desensitized kids to the actual effects of violence on another human being.
Plus, more and more kids are never taken hunting to see what REALLY happens when a living thing gets hit by a speeding bullet. To see real death and what happens with real guns when they are used. Social media isn't helping a lot either. Instead of kids getting bullied by one or two other kids at school, you now have social media to broadcast the bulling to 100's. Look at any example of the flame wars going on in this forum. It's much to easy to flame and bully someone from behind the computer screen than in person.
All of this crap adds up and if a kids psyche is weak or the parents aren't doing the best they can to help and explain the world around the kid, then something is going to snap.

It's NOT the proliferation of "assault" rifle and hi cap mags that are to blame. They are just tools.

[Heffay]

What I haven't seen anyone post yet is the influence of very realistic violent video games on young minds (6-7 year old) that should NOT be playing them. It desensitizes them to violence. Along with Hollywood and the absolute crap coming out of there! More violence, more explosions, more hate. Pick ANY "reality" show...ANY one of them....and you see one person getting in the face of another, bad mouthing them, sometimes getting into fights. Why? Because confrontation SELLS! Look at what passes as "boxing" on TV now days....all out beating the living crap out of another human being using your hands, feet, head, whatever...and beating the other guy to a bloody pulp. The past 15 to 20 years of this violent crap has desensitized kids to the actual effects of violence on another human being.
Plus, more and more kids are never taken hunting to see what REALLY happens when a living thing gets hit by a speeding bullet. To see real death and what happens with real guns when they are used. Social media isn't helping a lot either. Instead of kids getting bullied by one or two other kids at school, you now have social media to broadcast the bulling to 100's. Look at any example of the flame wars going on in this forum. It's much to easy to flame and bully someone from behind the computer screen than in person.
All of this crap adds up and if a kids psyche is weak or the parents aren't doing the best they can to help and explain the world around the kid, then something is going to snap.

It's NOT the proliferation of "assault" rifle and hi cap mags that are to blame. They are just tools.

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[tman]

Limbaugh agrees with Heffay.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/12/17/we_re_living_the_collapse_of_our_culture

We've got a mental illness problem in this country that nobody wants to deal with because they don't want to really admit it. They don't want to get to the bottom of finding out why.

[Heffay]

Limbaugh agrees with Heffay.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/12/17/we_re_living_the_collapse_of_our_culture

We've got a mental illness problem in this country that nobody wants to deal with because they don't want to really admit it. They don't want to get to the bottom of finding out why.

Walking around Arizona, the problem is particularly noticeable. The mentally ill are *everywhere*.

[Snakeman721]

What I haven't seen anyone post yet is the influence of very realistic violent video games on young minds (6-7 year old) that should NOT be playing them. It desensitizes them to violence. Along with Hollywood and the absolute crap coming out of there! More violence, more explosions, more hate. Pick ANY "reality" show...ANY one of them....and you see one person getting in the face of another, bad mouthing them, sometimes getting into fights. Why? Because confrontation SELLS! Look at what passes as "boxing" on TV now days....all out beating the living crap out of another human being using your hands, feet, head, whatever...and beating the other guy to a bloody pulp. The past 15 to 20 years of this violent crap has desensitized kids to the actual effects of violence on another human being.
Plus, more and more kids are never taken hunting to see what REALLY happens when a living thing gets hit by a speeding bullet. To see real death and what happens with real guns when they are used. Social media isn't helping a lot either. Instead of kids getting bullied by one or two other kids at school, you now have social media to broadcast the bulling to 100's. Look at any example of the flame wars going on in this forum. It's much to easy to flame and bully someone from behind the computer screen than in person.
All of this crap adds up and if a kids psyche is weak or the parents aren't doing the best they can to help and explain the world around the kid, then something is going to snap.

It's NOT the proliferation of "assault" rifle and hi cap mags that are to blame. They are just tools.

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Thanks....missed that blurb.

[sgruenhagen44]

Can't speak for private schools, can't speak for all public schools, but our public k-12 building has a full-time deputy sheriff liaison officer in the buildings, complete with his .40 s&w. Both schools have a single point of entry with a video camera and doorbell/remote buzzer entry covering that entry. If the secretary doesn't like your looks, she won't buzz you in. If she doesn't know you, she'll ask who you are and what your business is. If you upset her, the liaison officer shows up or is already in the office. A shooter cannot shoot the secretary because she is unseen. 3M ballistic plastic covers the glass, so it is very difficult to break/shoot through it. Not all windows are covered in the 3M plastic, just the main entrance. The school tells us they cannot guarantee our kids' safety, but I think they are giving it a good shot.

Code red drills (active shooter/intruder) by Minnesota state law must be conducted four times per year. The county sheriff's swat team has trained in our K-12 building on the weekend for Code Red situations as well.

Arming teachers might not be the best idea. A teacher carrying a hand gun could be overwhelmed by bigger and stronger students and supply the very weapon to create a school shooting. And yes, even with great training, a teacher or administrator could be overwhelmed by a surprise assault and lose their weapon. A rapid response team using shotguns kept in a secure part of the building might work better, i.e. administrators, counselors and so on.

Thanks, minnhawk. I don't think it's a knee-jerk reaction at all to require every school nationwide to have similar protocols. I didn't know MN Law required active shooter drills, but obviously I'm happy to hear it. I grew up in IL. We never had any kind of active shooter drills or training. We did have a police officer present at the beginning and end of each school day though. I think they now lock all but the main entrance during school hours, but I'm pretty sure it's unlocked and not closely monitored.

I agree that arming teachers isn't the best idea for the same reasons you cited.

I'm going out on a limb here. Out of the people's posts here, I am probably the only one who has actually participated in "lock down" drills. They need to be perfected. Locking everyone in a room does no good. I always used to be a smart ass with my teachers and say, "Great, only half the class can be shot through the window while we are locked in here." Seriously though, its true. All the shooter would have to do is shoot out the small window and could have easy shooting at half the class. I would rather take my chances with running the hell out. And BTW I agree with the Cop idea in all schools. I OPed that a couple days ago. Most schools have em anyway and they do help with all sorts of violence, not just guns. Plus our cop at North St. Paul High was cool as hell. MOst of us liked her.

[bstrawse]

I may know a thing or two about lockdown drills....

[Mn01r6]

I may know a thing or two about lockdown drills....

I have been meaning to ask you. What do you think about giving teachers bear spray and tasers if the politics and training dollars aren't there to arm them?

Or what is the best solution in your learned opinion?

ETA: no sarcasm intended. I know you know your risk management.

[sgruenhagen44]

I may know a thing or two about lockdown drills....

I didn't say no one here knew anything about them. Just saying I have participated in them as a student and they don't seem like that great of a plan... Also I was also a student who would leave school and come back here and there and never got caught either, this proves schools need added security. I never got a truancy What is your experience bstrawse? (this is a genuine question)

[farmerj]

I may know a thing or two about lockdown drills....

I didn't say no one here knew anything about them. Just saying I have participated in them as a student and they don't seem like that great of a plan... Also I was also a student who would leave school and come back here and there and never got caught either, this proves schools need added security. I never got a truancy

Arrogant too. Considering who it is you are addressing about a certain subject......

[GunClasses.Net]

I may know a thing or two about lockdown drills....

I didn't say no one here knew anything about them. Just saying I have participated in them as a student and they don't seem like that great of a plan... Also I was also a student who would leave school and come back here and there and never got caught either, this proves schools need added security. I never got a truancy

Arrogant too. Considering who it is you are addressing about a certain subject......

ENOUGH! Can we debate ideas instead of people - PLEASE?

Thank you.

[sgruenhagen44]

I was serious. I don't know bstrawse. I genuinely wanted to know what his experience was. I was just giving my .02 sorry if I offended. Am no lock down expert at all. Just said I have participated in them and that they leave a lot to be desired. Geez guys.

[farmerj]

ENOUGH! Can we debate ideas instead of people - PLEASE?

Thank you.

Sure thing Vlasek.

Considering I'd give bstrawse or Tman the time of day any day of the week considering their backgrounds and their experience.

Your or this other arrogant punk, I'd give a wet piss to considering that you sell your Florida class for something that's nothing special and most of the instructors here do for free.

Your reputation and your input are laid out LONG before you ever came into this thread. In short, even your credibility for your ideas (IMO) is suspect. However, Tman and Bstrawse have some damn sharp credentials and reputations that lead to great acceptance based on their words from past actions and reputation.


But what the hell do I know. I just some punk internet jockey......

[tman]

What do you think about giving teachers bear spray and tasers if the politics and training dollars aren't there to arm them?

Tasers against firearms?


No, thank you.

[sgruenhagen44]

Maybe I should have elaborated. I could be very wrong. For all I know bstrawse could be about the same age as me and participated in lock downs as well in high school. I know a lot of you guys have your little groups of friends and know each other. me on the other hand, I have only met a handful of other forum members