A sigh of relief?

[LarryP]

People claimed Obama would lose the election to.

http://news.yahoo.com/gun-lobby-congress-doesnt-muscle-pass-gun-control-202436760.html

On Sunday, top gun lobbyists predicted that there’s not enough support in Congress for a new ban on assault weapons and that even curbs on high-capacity magazine clips were in doubt.

[CraigJS]

"You can't fix stupid".. (Ron White)

[jdege]

Do you think they are saying the same thing right now about us?

Perhaps. The critical difference is that we are right, and they are wrong.

[Thunder71]

The critical difference is that we are right, and they are wrong.

Guessing they are also saying that.

I've read quite a few of our oppositions comments lately, and tried to keep an open mind... I was looking to understand where they were coming from, and why they felt the way they did.

The problem seems to be that they don't see us as fathers, teachers, productive, hard working individuals, rather as James Yeager and Ted Nugent types who seem to go out of their way to act crazy. I don't think Yeager can complete 2 sentences without using words that are blocked from most forums. It doesn't help that those types are also hoarding their forums and Facebook pages, doing more harm than good in most cases. We don't need to bully (I hate that term, but whatever), we need to educate. They are afraid of guns for some reason, and have the perception that police and military personnel are the only ones who 'need' them, and that for some reason they are the only ones qualified to use them.

Personally, I wish folks like Mr. Colion Noir were more prominently displayed by the media.

[xd ED]

The critical difference is that we are right, and they are wrong.

Guessing they are also saying that.

They are attempting to usurp the Bill of Rights, we are not attempting to impinge on anyone's rights. We are in a defensive position, they are the aggressor.
That's something they can't say

[Thunder71]

The critical difference is that we are right, and they are wrong.

Guessing they are also saying that.

They are attempting to usurp the Bill of Rights, we are not attempting to impinge on anyone's rights. We are in a defensive position, they are the aggressor.
That's something they can't say

I didn't say I agreed, but if you look at THEIR posts... it's what they believe, and just as strongly.

No matter what you say, their 'second amendment' is about hunting, and even that is questionable, anything above that is just crazy - and people acting crazy are what they see (Yeager, Nugent). It's not about what right you you have, it's about the rights they think you 'need'.

[xd ED]

The critical difference is that we are right, and they are wrong.

Guessing they are also saying that.

I've read quite a few of our oppositions comments lately, and tried to keep an open mind... I was looking to understand where they were coming from, and why they felt the way they did.

The problem seems to be that they don't see us as fathers, teachers, productive, hard working individuals, rather as James Yeager and Ted Nugent types who seem to go out of their way to act crazy. I don't think Yeager can complete 2 sentences without using words that are blocked from most forums. It doesn't help that those types are also hoarding their forums and Facebook pages, doing more harm than good in most cases. We don't need to bully (I hate that term, but whatever), we need to educate. They are afraid of guns for some reason, and have the perception that police and military personnel are the only ones who 'need' them, and that for some reason they are the only ones qualified to use them.

Personally, I wish folks like Mr. Colion Noir were more prominently displayed by the media.

Clowns like yeager merely allow the opposition convenient superficial self-gratification.
There have been many soft-spoken, thoughtful and articulate spokesmen for gun rights, and the proper use of firearms.
Their logic and rationale is unassailable.
The media ignores them, and the antis dismiss them with the same lack of reason they use to promote their tyranny.

This is an hour long. One need not watch it to learn the message. Put it on in the background and listen.

[xd ED]

No matter what you say, their 'second amendment' is about hunting, and even that is questionable, anything above that is just crazy - and people acting crazy are what they see (Yeager, Nugent). It's not about what right you you have, it's about the rights they think you 'need'.

A combination of media complicity, a sheep mentality- ie clinging to the illusion of invulnerability, and likely strategic missteps by our side in the past, including allowing their false and irrational arguments equity with ours; i.e. accepting that they feel just as strongly, and thus begin a compromise.

[t140]

First of all, you can bring JY into this all you want. The fact is that they felt the way they did prior to JY's video. His video added a tiny bit of fuel to an already hot burning stove.

They are afraid of guns for some reason, and have the perception that police and military personnel are the only ones who 'need' them, and that for some reason they are the only ones qualified to use them.

I have your answer - movies/tv shows.

If everyone is right in saying that the sheeple follow the TV and what it says, it's the movies and tv shows. Every day you turn on the TV to a cop(s) who obviously carries a gun hunting down some serial rapist/murderer/psychopath. You can also find a lot of shoot 'em up movies with clear good guys / bad guys. 90% of Rober De Niro's movies are like this so are a lot of Al Pacino's. Let's not even mention Jason Stathom.

Our education system is probably part of the problem, also. Everyone's told not to fight and run away and find a teacher that can help. Not to stand up and fight for what's right or how to defend yourself against physical or verbal attacks. Which I think should be taught in every public school.

[jdege]

The critical difference is that we are right, and they are wrong.

Guessing they are also saying that.

True. But then, when we say they are wrong, we are right, and when they say we are wrong, they are wrong.

It's all part and parcel of the same thing.

[JustPlainT]

They may not win this time. That much is true.

But now is not the time to give up or get lax because they said they don't think they can do it. They want us to stop bombarding Congress with letters and emails and phone calls, so they can work on them and get them to vote against gun rights.

They will never give up. It may not be time to panic (and it isn't), but it is time to keep on writing to Congress. We can relax when the craziness has passed and the elevated threat is finally done and gone. And even then, we need to still be vigilant and prepared to start up the next campaign towards Washington to let them know how we feel.

[yukonjasper]

you can't forget that BHO is a product of his "community organizer" past and a disciple of Sol Alinsky - author of Rules for Radicals. 5th, 8th and 13th rules ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon", "Keep the pressure on" and "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it" respectively).

They will not stop, its what they do - they will wait for the next opportunity in the form of nutcase+gun=blood in the streets and exploit it. The blood is in the water and they feel like they have an opening to jam something through while the tragedy is still in the MSM. The MSM is trying hard to keep the tragedy alive by continuing to show the images and talk about it.

The language will pop up in every bill the 2nd Amendment supporters want to pass. Parts and pieces will be passed because well meaning 2nd Amend. people will have to hold their nose to get their work done.

[Heffay]

Wow, this forum is incredibly entertaining to read some days!!

[Holland&Holland]

Wow, this forum is incredibly entertaining to read some days!!

Attempts at gun control by elected officials does not concern you? Enlighten us.

[Heffay]

Attempts at gun control by elected officials does not concern you?

That's not what I find amusing.