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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby farmerj on Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:34 pm

xd ED wrote:
fuller malarkey wrote:The LA mayor just put up a million buck bounty on this guy. He's now a "domestic terrorist".

Some of their methods baffle me. They're looking for a 6'0 270 pound black man. At first opportunity, they shoot two Asian women.

I wonder what his experience is with explosives.


Where did you hear that?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local ... 88451.html


http://news.yahoo.com/1-million-reward- ... 15766.html
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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby fuller malarkey on Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:38 pm

xd ED wrote:
fuller malarkey wrote:The LA mayor just put up a million buck bounty on this guy. He's now a "domestic terrorist".

Some of their methods baffle me. They're looking for a 6'0 270 pound black man. At first opportunity, they shoot two Asian women.

I wonder what his experience is with explosives.


Where did you hear that?



Most major news carriers covered a live news conference in LA about 15 minutes ago.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... earch.html
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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby fuller malarkey on Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:39 pm

farmerj wrote:
xd ED wrote:
fuller malarkey wrote:The LA mayor just put up a million buck bounty on this guy. He's now a "domestic terrorist".

Some of their methods baffle me. They're looking for a 6'0 270 pound black man. At first opportunity, they shoot two Asian women.

I wonder what his experience is with explosives.


Where did you hear that?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local ... 88451.html


http://news.yahoo.com/1-million-reward- ... 15766.html


Thanks for the links farmerj!
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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby xd ED on Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:40 pm

Thanks to both.

It's just now showing up on google.

Someone will sell him out, if they can.
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Postby jshuberg on Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:27 pm

fuller malarkey wrote:I wonder what his experience is with explosives.

I haven't seen anyone state specifically what his Navy rating was, but based on reports that he performed underwater demolitions and stood security on oil rigs, I'm guessing he was an EOD - Explosive Ordnance Disposal tech. It's also my understanding that as of 2013 that the EOD rating has been closed to reservists, which could explain his recent separation from the Navy. He may have been forced to either change rating or leave the Navy. This, and no longer having a law enforcement job available to him may have caused him to snap.

While not a SEAL, an EOD is part of Naval Special Warfare. This is only my own conjecture based on what I've read, but if I'm right and he is an EOD he would have had training on all modern military, civilian and improvised explosive devices. He would also have had training in chemical, biological, and nuclear warfare agents. It would explain the massive manhunt and itchy trigger fingers on the part of law enforcement.
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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby Heffay on Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:52 pm

jshuberg wrote:While not a SEAL, an EOD is part of Naval Special Warfare. This is only my own conjecture based on what I've read, but if I'm right and he is an EOD he would have had training on all modern military, civilian and improvised explosive devices. He would also have had training in chemical, biological, and nuclear warfare agents. It would explain the massive manhunt and itchy trigger fingers on the part of law enforcement.


EOD is special operations, not special warfare.
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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby jshuberg on Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:31 pm

Heffay wrote:EOD is special operations, not special warfare.

You're splitting hairs, Naval Special Operations is part of Naval Special Warfare, and the terms are often used interchangeably. They are the same community and referred to as NSW/NSO. EOD techs can also be assigned to other Special Warfare Companies (SEALs, etc) that are in need of an explosives demolition expert:

Your unique skills and knowledge will add to the strengths of other Special Operations units, as well as your own. As an EOD Tech, you may also:

* Locate, identify, neutralize, recover and dispose of various ordnances, such as sea mines, torpedoes and depth charges
* Work with other Special Operations units, such as Navy SEALs, Army Special Forces, and Marine Expeditionary Units
* Work with the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Department of State, helping to protect the President, Vice President, and other officials and dignitaries
* Provide support to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Customs Office, ATF and the FBI, as well as state and local police bomb squads
* Assist in security at large international events, such as the Olympics or world summits

Upon completion of the EOD training, graduates are assigned to EOD Mobile Units where they gain advanced on-the-job training and experience as members of Mobile Teams, Carrier Strike Group/Expeditionary Strike Group Companies, Naval Special Warfare Companies and Marine Mammal Companies.

http://www.navy.com/careers/special-operations/eod.html

Again, I'm speculating that he is EOD, but some news reports tend to lead in that direction:
Dorner received awards for his expertise with a rifle and pistol, according to military records obtained by The Times. He received an Iraq Campaign Medal and was a member of a mobile inshore undersea warfare unit.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... -bear.html

He couldn't be a SEAL as a reservist, and the only other rating that engages in inshore undersea warfare is an EOD. I could be wrong, but from the news reports and process of elimination, I'm pretty confident that he's got to be EOD, which would be very bad for the people he's targeted.
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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby Heffay on Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:14 pm

jshuberg wrote:
Heffay wrote:EOD is special operations, not special warfare.

You're splitting hairs, Naval Special Operations is part of Naval Special Warfare, and the terms are often used interchangeably. They are the same community and referred to as NSW/NSO. EOD techs can also be assigned to other Special Warfare Companies (SEALs, etc) that are in need of an explosives demolition expert:


EOD is Special Warfare on a light duty chit.

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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby jshuberg on Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:31 pm

I do, and that's actually pretty funny :lol:

Like I said though, he might not be a SEAL or SWCC, but I wouldn't want an EOD with a death wish targeting me for revenge.
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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby LePetomane on Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:58 am

Thankfully Chris Dorner is not a member of the Tea Party. Not long after the Aurora shooting a news hack reported that there was a Colorado Tea Party member by the name of James Holmes and they were trying to discern whether it was the same guy. I don't see the media describing this guy as a flaming liberal.
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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby tman on Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:28 am

jshuberg wrote:
fuller malarkey wrote:I wonder what his experience is with explosives.

I haven't seen anyone state specifically what his Navy rating was, but based on reports that he performed underwater demolitions and stood security on oil rigs, I'm guessing he was an EOD - Explosive Ordnance Disposal tech.



Huh...as an officer, what would his technical knowledge of how to blow **** up be? Would he not be more likely to supervise the techs?
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Postby M4A1 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:55 am

tman wrote:
jshuberg wrote:
fuller malarkey wrote:I wonder what his experience is with explosives.

I haven't seen anyone state specifically what his Navy rating was, but based on reports that he performed underwater demolitions and stood security on oil rigs, I'm guessing he was an EOD - Explosive Ordnance Disposal tech.



Huh...as an officer, what would his technical knowledge of how to blow **** up be? Would he not be more likely to supervise the techs?

Shouldn't you know what you are supervising? I know that is not the standard today, just saying.....
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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby jshuberg on Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:13 am

Normally you would be right, officers don't typically go through the same training as enlisted. However, EOD is different. Anytime an occupation or qualification has an associated insignia (SEAL, Submariner, EOD, etc) they will have gone through the same training and qualifications, whether officer or enlisted. How much experience he had in the field would be another thing, and would likely depend on which unit he was attached to.

I've looked online trying to find an image of him in his dress uniform as a lieutenant to see if he's wearing an EOD insignia. All I've been able to find is one of him as an ensign, before he was awarded his marksman rifle and expert pistol decorations.
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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby tman on Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:06 pm

It's kind of funny that the media hasn't sniffed out his MOS by talking to his peers..


Must not fit the narrative that makes him such a bad ass.
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Re: yop, only cops.....

Postby Heffay on Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:10 pm

tman wrote:It's kind of funny that the media hasn't sniffed out his MOS by talking to his peers..


Must not fit the narrative that makes him such a bad ass.


Because sailors don't have a MOS. That's army talk.

Officers don't have a rating either. Just a warfare specialty.
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