Sad stuff. (Oakdale Shooting)

View · by **eldo** on Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:20 am

More info including identity and pic of shooter, who apparently does not have a criminal record; no mention of prior mental health problems.

http://m.startribune.com/?id=190828771

http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_2256 ... g-incident

View · by **Snowgun** on Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:57 pm

xd ED wrote:I can believe all the sensationalized reporting is planting and reinforcing some ideas in the minds of those who are on the verge of acting out their rage. Perhaps the guaranteed notoriety is found to be appealing.

+1

View · by **One Man Wolf Pack** on Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:56 pm

TommyMN wrote:
One Man Wolf Pack wrote:Crazy. I go out that way to get my hair cut. Cavalier barber stylists. Guy named frank is the owner/former Marine and the only civilian barber I know that can pull off a mil spec fade. Guess I'll carry next time I need a trim.

Why does it seem that the whack jobs are conveniently acting out in order to push legislation as if they are martyrs for their cause? My prayers go out to the woman. Vengeance will be left to a higher power.

Off topic alittle but where is this barber?

http://oakdale.patch.com/listings/caval ... r-stylists

Cavalier Barber Stylists

6080 12th St N Saint Paul, MN 55128

651-738-2797

I live 45 min away but I still drive out to get my hair cut there. Call and make an appt. Early sat is best for me but everyone is different.
Lots of former military, Reservists, and active LEO spend time in his chair and his kid is a Navy Doc so he always has interesting things to talk about. Also has a book exchange if that's your thing.

Hope you like his services.

View · by **The Lance** on Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:10 pm

eldo wrote:More info including identity and pic of shooter, who apparently does not have a criminal record; no mention of prior mental health problems.

http://m.startribune.com/?id=190828771

http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_2256 ... g-incident

Giant piece of ****

I am very much saddened by this event and refuse to let the anti's use this as a case and a reason for my anti gun laws.

My heart and prayers go out to the family of the innocent child

View · by **SAM** on Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:08 am

He had a P2C !?!? That will be a huge point----I'm sure. :twisted:

View · by **kevbey** on Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:42 am

"Not in posession unlawfully" could mean PTP... :?:

View · by **EJSG19** on Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:04 am

BlkVooDoo wrote:
gearguy10 wrote:I literally missed this scene by 30 minutes. I live 3 blocks away and drove on 7th Street and Hadley to go to LA Fitness for a run on the treadmill. When I came back 30 minutes later, the whole area was cordoned off by police. Huge crime scene. All occurred within 2 blocks of Tartan High School.

Yeah, I am not far either. At least they got the guy, ALIVE.

seems to me it would be nice if a jury could correct that situation. wishful thinking.

we'll probably just provide free room and board for the foreseeable future instead.

View · by **tman** on Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:09 am

kevbey wrote:"Not in posession unlawfully" could mean PTP...

All that means is that he is not a "prohibited person."

Sent from my iPhone using that app which shall not be named.

View · by **SAM** on Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:29 am

They announced on the news that he had a permit to carry the firearm.

View · by **qualcorp** on Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:40 am

I feel for the families and the victims, I grew up in Oakdale after age 12 when we moved there from the east side of St Paul, so I know the area, have been there, and I understand what it's like to live there. For the most part, Oakdale is a calm place without much of anything in the way of problems, not so anymore.

Anna's Grove 12years,Oakdale is a heaven for gang bangers.jus sayin

View · by **xd ED** on Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:49 am

qualcorp wrote:I feel for the families and the victims, I grew up in Oakdale after age 12 when we moved there from the east side of St Paul, so I know the area, have been there, and I understand what it's like to live there. For the most part, Oakdale is a calm place without much of anything in the way of problems, not so anymore.

Anna's Grove 12years,Oakdale is a heaven for gang bangers.

Every city in the metro, and beyond has similar issues. Start with a large complex of low-mid priced rental properties. Add the mandated sect 8 inhabitants, and you've got the recipe for the same urban decay that is more prevalent in the urban cores. It exists even in places like Edina.

I'm not suggesting that such circumstances are at the root of this incident, as the strange parts of Oakdale I know of are elsewhere. This is pretty much a single family home residential area.

View · by **XDM45** on Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:00 pm

xd ED wrote:
qualcorp wrote:I feel for the families and the victims, I grew up in Oakdale after age 12 when we moved there from the east side of St Paul, so I know the area, have been there, and I understand what it's like to live there. For the most part, Oakdale is a calm place without much of anything in the way of problems, not so anymore.

Anna's Grove 12years,Oakdale is a heaven for gang bangers.

Every city in the metro, and beyond has similar issues. Start with a large complex of low-mid priced rental properties. Add the mandated sect 8 inhabitants, and you've got the recipe for the same urban decay that is more prevalent in the urban cores. It exists even in places like Edina.

I'm not suggesting that such circumstances are at the root of this incident, as the strange parts of Oakdale I know of are elsewhere. This is pretty much a single family home residential area.

Yeah, no doubt. I'm not a fan of Section 8 or renters of homes..... now before people start drinking the Haterade on me for disliking homes being rented...here's my reasoning why:

Imagine that you've actually bought your home whereas the neighbor rents his from an owner that doesn't live there. Now I'm sure the renter may be a nice guy, or may not be... but either way, he/she is a renter. They aren't vested. They don't own anything. If the house burns down, oh well. Walk away and rent another place. When I rented an apartment, I was the same way. I cared, but to a point, and certainly nowhere near what a homeowner has. No, some people don't care when they do own something, ie: their car is a mess from garbage, but I believe most people do care and are vested more when they own vs. rent.

As for Section 8 housing, some people really do need it. They are disabled in one way or another, and I haven't any problem with them at all. It's the moochers, the petty criminals, the dope dealers wearing $100 Nikes and collecting on my dime that I have a problem with. Unfortunately, only letting the good people in and not the bad is impossible under Section 8, so sad as it may be, no one wants that around them either.

View · by **sgruenhagen44** on Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:22 pm

My parents live in North St. Paul around the intersection of Gervais/11th and white bear ave. Bout 300-400 yards from their house is the rainbow foods. Next to rainbow foods is all section 8. The hilarious part is that there are multiple satellite dishes sticking out of the houses. We never had satellite. Took us forever to get basic cable!!!

View · by **xd ED** on Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:30 pm

XDM45 wrote:
xd ED wrote:
qualcorp wrote:I feel for the families and the victims, I grew up in Oakdale after age 12 when we moved there from the east side of St Paul, so I know the area, have been there, and I understand what it's like to live there. For the most part, Oakdale is a calm place without much of anything in the way of problems, not so anymore.

Anna's Grove 12years,Oakdale is a heaven for gang bangers.

Every city in the metro, and beyond has similar issues. Start with a large complex of low-mid priced rental properties. Add the mandated sect 8 inhabitants, and you've got the recipe for the same urban decay that is more prevalent in the urban cores. It exists even in places like Edina.

I'm not suggesting that such circumstances are at the root of this incident, as the strange parts of Oakdale I know of are elsewhere. This is pretty much a single family home residential area.

Yeah, no doubt. I'm not a fan of Section 8 or renters of homes..... now before people start drinking the Haterade on me for disliking homes being rented...here's my reasoning why:

Imagine that you've actually bought your home whereas the neighbor rents his from an owner that doesn't live there. Now I'm sure the renter may be a nice guy, or may not be... but either way, he/she is a renter. They aren't vested. They don't own anything. If the house burns down, oh well. Walk away and rent another place. When I rented an apartment, I was the same way. I cared, but to a point, and certainly nowhere near what a homeowner has. No, some people don't care when they do own something, ie: their car is a mess from garbage, but I believe most people do care and are vested more when they own vs. rent.

As for Section 8 housing, some people really do need it. They are disabled in one way or another, and I haven't any problem with them at all. It's the moochers, the petty criminals, the dope dealers wearing $100 Nikes and collecting on my dime that I have a problem with. Unfortunately, only letting the good people in and not the bad is impossible under Section 8, so sad as it may be, no one wants that around them either.

yep. It's not a few disabled, or temporarily down-and-outs that are the issue. It's 60-100 'families' who've made lifestyle choices that allow them too much free time in a far too much great of population density.
But as I said earlier, I don't believe that to be a component of this most recent tragedy.

View · by **XDM45** on Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:57 pm

xd ED wrote:I'm not suggesting that such circumstances are at the root of this incident, as the strange parts of Oakdale I know of are elsewhere. This is pretty much a single family home residential area.

I'll agree that it's not the sole cause of it, however, it's not a big, gaping wound which causes us to bleed to death (aka crime), it's a million little papercuts; or another way to put it, it's not the boulders, but the pebbles that cause us to trip up (crime). A lot of it is those "lifestyle choices" too. Maybe some of it is circumstantial, such as being born into a family on welfare, BUT at the age of reason and when one can legally make their own decisions, that's no longer an excuse for one's own accountability and actions. The problem is people with certain attitudes and traits, without that, the problems wouldn't exist.

Listen to people speak sometime, you'll get an idea of where their head is at. "oh, no. I can't do that." when they really mean "I won't do that." They say "can't" because if they say "won't", then they have to take ownership of it. People (most), don't want to do that. They'd rather blame someone or something. I have sympathy for people, but to a point. No one is perfect, everyone has good and bad about themselves, but their attitude will affect their altitude. If there is one barrier in the success of an individual, it is the attitude and mindset of that individual. You can give someone money and without the right attitude and mindset, they'll be broke in a very short time. You can give someone a little bit of money and they will turn it into millions, or they will do it on their own; but if they created wealth once and lose it, they can create it again. The reason they created it or lose it was their attitude and mindset.

I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, nor was I born in tha 'hood in da' ghetto, just middle class America. April 30th, 2013, I'll be cancer-free on that day for 12 years, surviving a almost certain death sentence (35% chance I'd live). There were 8 other times I almost died too. Others have it worse and better than me, just as I've had it worse and better than some other people, so that's life. We've all hard our trials, but the difference is how you handle them. It boils down to the fact that I'm not a fan of excuses and people have to get their proverbial you-know-what together. While not everyone in Section 8 housing has drama, a lot of them do. A lot of them create it themselves by their lifestyle choices and with that comes the byproduct which is often crime. It brings a negative energy to the area. That doesn't mean that crime can't happen in places that are supposedly paradise, not at all. Crime can happen anywhere. However, chances are pretty good that if ypu're walking in Harlem at 3am, you'll get mugged, raped or shot vs if you're in Beverly Hills at the same time.

I don't blame Section 8 for crime, but it's part of the problem. With poverty comes that mindset. To me, broke is a material state, as is rich. Wealth and Poverty (poor) are mental states. One can be broke and wealthy, broke and poor, rich and wealthy, or even rich and poor. For a lot of people, they live in a poverty mindset, even if they are middle class; but when they have that mindset AND they are broke, when they can't meet the basic needs of life, that's the seed and soil which is the perfect base for growing into crime.