DHS BUYS Another 360,000 rounds of ammo!! Trucks on the move

[LarryP]

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-buy-3600 ... mmunition/

Holy smokes, What's going on??

Their Armored trucks are on the move!

http://www.infowars.com/video-hundreds- ... -the-move/

[Thunder71]

Gotta have ammo to shoot us with, right? I just hope they get nothing but the best ammo and training - I'd hate to be shot twice in the arm or something.

If we had the same requirement to report what we're buying for ammo I'm sure they'd say the same thing.

[yonse]

That's 2 billion rounds of ammunition that DHS has recently purchased. To put that in perspective, if 10,000 people fired 500 rounds of ammunition every single week for 7 years they would still have 180 million rounds of ammunition left.

[MNGunGuy]

That's 2 billion rounds of ammunition that DHS has recently purchased.

They didn't purchase it, rather put out contracts for purchase.

[photogpat]

They didn't purchase it, rather put out contracts for purchase.

Ding ding ding ding.

Put away the tinfoil hats people...delivery isn't all at once either.

[TTS]

Thats 180 student going through FLETC shooting 2000 rounds of ammo... Not sure why you would worry. Every civilian 2 day class I have been to is around 2000 rounds, most people spend weeks training at FLTC.

(The ammo was delivered to the Federal LE Training Center in New Mexico. Everyone from federal prison guards to the Air Marshals trains there.)

[NMRMN]

They didn't purchase it, rather put out contracts for purchase.

Ding ding ding ding.

Put away the tinfoil hats people...delivery isn't all at once either.

Why can't the DHS clarify this themselves? I have heard these sorts of explanations too, about the contracts and procurement process. Why can't they say it? There needs to be more transparency, regardless -- who's buying how much, for what purposes.

..if there are plausible explanations for all this, some congressmen would like to hear them.

These are not exactly "confidence inspiring" either:

[chunkstyle]

Let's see,

ICE
Coast Guard
Secret Service
Border Patrol
TSA

plus others. 210,000 employees total, likely most armed.

Figure at least 500, probably more like 1000 rounds each for training and qual.

Probably over 100 million rounds a year, minimum.

[NMRMN]

Let's see,
...210,000 employees total, likely most armed.

no. way.

DHS spokesman Peter Boogaard noted that the contract would be used by all DHS agencies except the Coast Guard.

United States Citizenship and Immigration Services
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Federal Emergency Management Agency
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Transportation Security Administration
United States Coast Guard*
National Protection and Programs Directorate
United States Secret Service

* 2012 Coast Guard employee Totals: Military Active – 42,190, Active Retired – 33,859, Military Reserve – 7,899, Reserve Retired – 6,537 Civilian – 8,722, Auxiliary – 32,156

[coltpython123]

It sounds like there may be a few federal employees in this chat forum.

[LarryP]

Bottom line is it's OUR money. They should have to explain in detail why these purchases are being made when asked.. No reply just stirs anger & paranioa

[JohnGageMN]

They didn't purchase it, rather put out contracts for purchase.

Ding ding ding ding.

Put away the tinfoil hats people...delivery isn't all at once either.

Enough with the conspiracy theories for crying out loud. Please stop assuming every word that passes Alex Jones' lips is gospel.

[NMRMN]

They didn't purchase it, rather put out contracts for purchase.

Ding ding ding ding.
Put away the tinfoil hats people...delivery isn't all at once either.

Enough with the conspiracy theories for crying out loud. Please stop assuming every word that passes Alex Jones' lips is gospel.

Why can't the DHS clarify this themselves? I have heard these sorts of explanations too, about the contracts and procurement process... Why can't the the DHS say it? There needs to be more transparency, regardless -- who's buying, how much and for what purposes?

..if there are plausible explanations for all this, some congressmen would like to hear them.

[bensdad]

It sounds like there may be a few federal employees in this chat forum.

+1

If it were no big deal, then it would be no big deal to show their purchase/use history. Explaining it the way some have here is dismissive and condescending.

plus others. 210,000 employees total, likely most armed.
Figure at least 500, probably more like 1000 rounds each for training and qual.
Probably over 100 million rounds a year, minimum.

Assumes they: A) have no ammo to train with now, and B) need a 20-year supply... now.

Please stop assuming every word that passes Alex Jones' lips is gospel.

Members of congress are asking questions. Alex Jones is not a member of congress.

[JohnGageMN]

Why can't the DHS clarify this themselves? I have heard these sorts of explanations too, about the contracts and procurement process... Why can't the the DHS say it? There needs to be more transparency, regardless -- who's buying, how much and for what purposes?

..if there are plausible explanations for all this, some congressmen would like to hear them.

Another article full of speculation and ********.

However, as former Marine Richard Mason told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania recently, hollow-point bullets (which make up the majority of the DHS purchases) are not used for training because they are more expensive than standard firing range rounds .

"We never trained with hollow points, we didn't even see hollow points my entire 4-1/2 years in the Marine Corps," Mason said.

LaMalfa offers one theory that's less sinister than some: The federal government is simply trying to corner the market on ammo and restrict what's available to the American people as part of its gun control efforts.

Are you really telling me that this Marine doesn't know that hollow points are banned under the Geneva Convention, and that's why he was never issued any? Many, if not all LEO's train with the same ammo they carry. We all know damn well that the ballistic performance characteristics of a 180gr FMJ and 155gr JHP round in .40 S&W are not the same. Hell, if I had unlimited funding I would run the Golden Saber's I carry at the range all the time, but I don't so I buy ball ammo to shoot for fun.

If you want to have a gripe with how much they are spending in total that's one thing, but these wild conspiracy theories flying all over the place do nothing positive. You want to know what it really does? It gives people on the fence something to point and laugh at, or makes them think we're all a bunch of insane nitwits.

Let's try an article from a legitimate news source that not filled with abject speculation:

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscou ... worry-you/

Before we begin, it’s important to understand that an RFQ (request for quote) or solicitation is not a purchase. When Infowars says something like “the Department of Homeland Security is planning to buy a further 750 million rounds of ammo in addition to the 450 million rounds of hollow point bullets already purchased earlier this year,” or “Following controversy over its purchase of around 1.2 billion bullets in the last six months alone, the Department of Homeland Security has put out a new solicitation for over 200 million more rounds of ammunition,” the reader is led to assume, naturally, that DHS has actually purchased that amount of ammunition. That is simply not the case. A solicitation is the equivalent of a want-to-buy ad on Craigslist, writ large. It’s not an actual purchase.

It goes on to explain the basics of government procurement, and specifically what's known as an IDIQ contract, which is what these DHS ammo contracts are.

Oh and wait, it DOES look like DHS has responded. I guess they didn't say what fed into your conspiracy theories though, so that doesn't count then?

There is, as mentioned above, an Infowars article which refers to a “750 million round purchase,” but the PDF linked in said article is a solicitation which only contains line items which add up to 63,256,000 rounds. Confused? Here’s what a DHS spokesperson had to say about that:

Read on in the article to see what was said, I'm not going to provide all of your education.

Keep calm, and carry on.