Rebel without a clue, and an alcohol problem!

[Collector1337420]

This is very sad indeed, however, whether or not he "deserves" to die is irrelevant. This is a Darwin moment.

[911scanner]

I don't hope or celebrate anyone losing their life. No matter what happens. Except murders thou.

Each victim has innocent families & friends who suffer from their death. I feel for them.

Victim of what, may I ask?

[MrDig]

Alcoholism is a horrific thing, sounds like this kid could have been the same kind of idiot I was before I sobered up 25 years ago. The only difference being I never got convicted for all of my stupidity.
While I understand he was a "Scumbag" he seems to have been my kind of "Scumbag" too bad he never got the chance to see that there is a way to live without living like he did.

[Heffay]

I don't hope or celebrate anyone losing their life. No matter what happens. Except murders thou.

Each victim has innocent families & friends who suffer from their death. I feel for them.

Victim of what, may I ask?

Alcoholism.

Unless you think people choose to be alcoholics, and can just quit whenever they feel like it. Just like people here could choose to be skinny if they wanted; they just prefer being men of "unusual size"...

[Spike]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

[tman]

Alcoholism.

Unless you think people choose to be alcoholics, and can just quit whenever they feel like it. Just like people here could choose to be skinny if they wanted; they just prefer being men of "unusual size"...

Being an alcoholic doesn't absolve a person of personal responsibility. Be a drunkard, and I couldn't care less. Be a drunk menace to society; that's a whole different ball game.

[Heffay]

Alcoholism.

Unless you think people choose to be alcoholics, and can just quit whenever they feel like it. Just like people here could choose to be skinny if they wanted; they just prefer being men of "unusual size"...

Being an alcoholic doesn't absolve a person of personal responsibility. Be a drunkard, and I couldn't care less. Be a drunk menace to society; that's a whole different ball game.

I never stated that they should be absolved of personal responsibility. I'm just saying they deserve *some* empathy.

[damian_mb]

Nobody DESERVES to die for robbery, forgery, or drugs. But if they are a murderer, then all bets are off. JMO

No, no one deserves to die, I never said he did deserve to die. But when you live a certain lifestyle of drugs, theft, and dubauchery, you can't expect him to end up living to a ripe ol' age.

And I am glad that he didn't take anyone else's life, it's almost a maricle he didn't kill one of the officers or an innocent.

Yeah everyone says he doesn't deserve this and that....then this guy does something to them or affects them directly, all of the sudden their opinions change. He was of no duty to society, I call it natural selection.

[Heffay]

Yeah everyone says he doesn't deserve this and that....then this guy does something to them or affects them directly, all of the sudden their opinions change. He was of no duty to society, I call it natural selection.

If your opinion of right and wrong changes based on whether something happens to you or someone else, you have a LOT of problems.

[911scanner]

He was a victim of himself, and his own poor choices.

Not one other person was in the van, therefore nobody was holding a gun to his head forcing him to steal the van. Nor was anybody forcing him to drink, speed, run from the police,etc.

I am damn sick & tired of people feeling sorry for those that are a victim of their own misdeeds. I don't feel bad for him. I would feel bad if he was forced by someone else, or if he were sober driving down the road in his own van and had a bad accident.

My point.... Criminals are not victims, unless violently forced by another to do such acts.

STOP FEELING SORRY FOR CRIMINALS!!

[Heffay]

I am damn sick & tired of people feeling sorry for those that are a victim of their own misdeeds. I don't feel bad for him.

Got any recent pictures of yourself you feel like sharing? I'd love to see what a paragon of virtue looks like.

[911scanner]

I am damn sick & tired of people feeling sorry for those that are a victim of their own misdeeds. I don't feel bad for him.

Got any recent pictures of yourself you feel like sharing? I'd love to see what a paragon of virtue looks like.

Look in the mirror? You're the one who is always correcting people & starting crap because of their views.

I, on the other hand, am not correcting anyone. Just describing a viewpoint. And my view is that anybody that is a criminal by choice is not a victim, but all people that they commit crimes against are.

[LarryP]

Forgiveness is one of the hardest aspects of the Christian life.


Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

He was a victim of himself, and his own poor choices.

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I am damn sick & tired of people feeling sorry for those that are a victim of their own misdeeds. I don't feel bad for him. I would feel bad if he was forced by someone else, or if he were sober driving down the road in his own van and had a bad accident.

My point.... Criminals are not victims, unless violently forced by another to do such acts.

STOP FEELING SORRY FOR CRIMINALS!!

[911scanner]

Forgiveness is one of the hardest aspects of the Christian life.


Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

Your point is valid, and I accept that.

In the same vain, I do not feel sorry for Pontius Pilate either. I am quite sure that Jesus does, which is why I need the white washing He provides.

Forgiveness is not the same as feeling sorry for someone. Forgiving someone that has done wrong vs. feeling sorry for them that they are a victim of themselves are two totally different schools of thought, even though they can become intertwined.

[911scanner]

Being sober for 27.5 years, I also understand the concept of going astray and needing guidance to get "reeled back in".

Under this type of circumstance, I believe the desire of the offending individual to correct their actions, accept responsibility, make amends & live a better life greatly determines how the public at large should respond.

The main components are accepting responsibility & making amends. Even Jesus asks us to do this.