PETA Wants to Fly Drones to Stalk Hunters

[OldmanFCSA]

It needs to be illegal to enter farms as it has been proven many times over that people, salesmen and others, that travel to many farms transmit diseases between farms by soils and bugs on their shoes. Pigs are more of a problem with this than most farm animals.
I had a sign on the a driveway that no one was to leave a vehicle without plastic booties, which I provided, or face trespass charges. Farmers in the area were able to make these stick after several farmers were wiped out by disease control forcing all livestock to be destroyed, burned and buried. This was in NorthWest Iowa.
Most states will enforce trespass laws for farmers who call in to sheriff's office.

[Heffay]

It needs to be illegal to enter farms as it has been proven many times over that people, salesmen and others, that travel to many farms transmit diseases between farms by soils and bugs on their shoes. Pigs are more of a problem with this than most farm animals.
I had a sign on the a driveway that no one was to leave a vehicle without plastic booties, which I provided, or face trespass charges. Farmers in the area were able to make these stick after several farmers were wiped out by disease control forcing all livestock to be destroyed, burned and buried.
Most states will enforce trespass laws for farmers who call in to sheriff's office.

A lot of these videos are from people who were hired by the farms and were there with permission. That should never be illegal. Whistle-blowing should be rewarded, not punished.

[OldmanFCSA]

It needs to be illegal to enter farms as it has been proven many times over that people, salesmen and others, that travel to many farms transmit diseases between farms by soils and bugs on their shoes. Pigs are more of a problem with this than most farm animals.
I had a sign on the a driveway that no one was to leave a vehicle without plastic booties, which I provided, or face trespass charges. Farmers in the area were able to make these stick after several farmers were wiped out by disease control forcing all livestock to be destroyed, burned and buried.
Most states will enforce trespass laws for farmers who call in to sheriff's office.

A lot of these videos are from people who were hired by the farms and were there with permission. That should never be illegal. Whistle-blowing should be rewarded, not punished.

I had no employees other than family. City people do not understand some standard farm practices, nor do we expect them to.

[yukonjasper]

I agree. What PETA see as cruel may be standard procedure. The business of food production isn't very glamorous. Pretty hard to feed people off of cattle that die of old age or chickens that sacrifice themselves. What is shocking to the uninitiated is commonplace to the people who work there. For me it comes down to not having enough to do that you want to meddle in other peoples livelihoods. You don't like how chickens are raised and slaughtered - don't each chicken. Mind your own business.

[Heffay]

I agree. What PETA see as cruel may be standard procedure. The business of food production isn't very glamorous. Pretty hard to feed people off of cattle that die of old age or chickens that sacrifice themselves. What is shocking to the uninitiated is commonplace to the people who work there. For me it comes down to not having enough to do that you want to meddle in other peoples livelihoods. You don't like how chickens are raised and slaughtered - don't each chicken. Mind your own business.

Well, part of the problem is that people don't know how chickens are raised and slaughtered. If they did and decided to not eat chicken, why would this bother you?

I have problems with intentionally keeping people ignorant to protect your business model. This applies to ALL business models.

[yukonjasper]

If people don't know, chances are they don't want to know. So rubbing their nose in it is not necessary - especially if aim is to shock people with anomalous behavior and portray it as "standard practice" for a business or an industry. situations can be created with deft editing and narration that shocks people who don't know what is going on and create a big old bucket of dis-information to support your "cause".

Seems to me that there are plenty of "minority" opinions that get elevated to a much higher status through guerilla means. Thanks to the help of the Left.

[sansooshooter]

If people don't know, chances are they don't want to know. So rubbing their nose in it is not necessary - especially if aim is to shock people with anomalous behavior and portray it as "standard practice" for a business or an industry. situations can be created with deft editing and narration that shocks people who don't know what is going on and create a big old bucket of dis-information to support your "cause". Seems to me that there are plenty of "minority" opinions that get elevated to a much higher status through guerilla means. Thanks to the help of the Left.

That in a nutshell .
Is exactly how the news media operates everyday to spin the news!

[Heffay]

If people don't know, chances are they don't want to know.

What if they want to know? What if they run across the information while searching around and say "Hey, I'm glad I found out about that. It's going to change how I do things."?

There is a huge difference between people remaining willfully ignorant, and being forced to be ignorant.

If farmers are worried about how they look, maybe they should create a narrative that is supportive of their practices, and then people can choose between the two narratives which one they believe.

[yukonjasper]

lets see how that works:
Narrative A: hardworking farmers and food industry workers in this corner saying - hey, the bird/animal has to die for you to eat it so this is how we do it and sorry if that disturbs you but the critter had to die somehow and we aren't asking you to do it but your kid likes chicken tenders and hot dogs, so if that is what you want, we need to keep doing our job. probably captured in some sort of low cost trade association brochure that is available at the ag extension office.

Narrative B: In this corner - Leftist activist "journalist" Wow, we had to sneek in a camera to capture these horrific scenes that have never been seen before by human eyes (with a soul, anyway) aren't they shocking and cruel images, just think if this was your cat or dog or parakeet Sparky isn't it horrible and the fact they don't want us filming it is proof that they are ashamed and and it is criminal, so don't support these people because they are horrible people who kill kind friendly animals that could be your pets and are our intellectual equals. you should be so shocked that you send us money so we can keep shocking you with these videos and paying for more camera equipment to force you to see what you have, up to now, not been interested enough in researching for yourself. All captured in hidden camera with voice over from some uber concerned celebrity who can't help but be outraged and totally shocked by what they see. Sensationalized for the benefit of raising money to fund the people at the top of the organization.

[Heffay]

Exactly. Problem?

[ZardozCZ]

Mn legislature discussed a bill re drones. Don't know if it was passed, but it appeared it would outlaw RC model toys as well. Dumb $hits don't know what they're doing.

If passed it would be a criminal act on Peta's part to do so in Minnesota. Your flying an RC model would be illegal too most likely.

[OldmanFCSA]

Don't know why farmers have to kill animals............ Don't know why hunters have to kill animals............ If you want meat, just go to a store and buy it. Don't kill animals. (VERY SARCASTIC STATEMENTS to people who do not understand.)

[oldhunter]

Don't know why farmers have to kill animals............ Don't know why hunters have to kill animals............ If you want meat, just go to a store and buy it. Don't kill animals. (VERY SARCASTIC STATEMENTS to people who do not understand.)

[LarryP]

Camera can film for just 5 minutes?? lol

Alot of states have hunter harressment laws. Not sure if Mn does. I'd shoot it down

[PileDriver]

What PETA wants to do is certainly not going to have the outcome they think they'll have. They'll make the videos look how they want, and will only amp up the people who already subscribe. I do promise, however, that they want them to be shot down.

If I dealt with them while HUNTING, since I am a HUNTER, they would be violating hunter harassment laws. I would disarm (for prevention of false accusations and photo opportunities), find them, take pics, and call the DNR. Since I am not a POACHER if I were still bothered by them during non hunting season, I would certainly be well known to the local dispatch center for making nuisance complaints.

I suggest no new laws, just enforcement of existing ones. If you support their drones, I am allowed to consider you a tool.


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