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Re: Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby Hmac on Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:33 am

dismal wrote:Image


Cite for the info on the jpg?




Twitter.

His academic records aren't public. Interviews with teachers called him "an A and B student". They made a lot of his suspension from school, but reportedly that was for chronic tardiness (that seems to be in dispute). As to the full ride scholarship stuff, he had just turned 17 about 2 weeks before his death. A full ride scholarship offer seems unlikely.

In counterpoint, I would be curious to hear more about the women's jewelry and screwdriver found in his backpack.

1. Trayvon was found with burglary tools (i.e. screwdriver/slimjim type tool) and jewelry which was not his at the high school. The school declined to file a police report and instead handled it internally. He was later suspended over an empty baggy of pot and other stuff and thus ended up at daddy's girlfriends - Mom kicked him out.

The jewelry has handed over to the PD as "found property" and left collecting dust on the shelf. It's interesting Miami-Dade School District began hiding crimes by declining to file charges and handle most problems internally - this was an attempt to solve an incredible staggering degree of crimes on campuses. As no report was filed of "possibly stolen property" was filed, the PD wasn't triggered to review the jewelry. Meanwhile, it turns out the jewelry has the same sort taken from a daytime burglery near the HS.

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It was that M-DSPD internal affairs investigation which revealed in October 2011 Trayvon Martin was searched by School Resource Officer, Darryl Dunn. The search of Trayvon Martin’s backpack turned up at least 12 pcs of ladies jewelry, and a man’s watch, in addition to a flat head screwdriver described as “a burglary tool”.


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On October 21st 2011 a burglary took place a few blocks from Krop Senior High School where Trayvon Martin attended. The stolen property outlined in the Miami-Dade Police Report (PD111021-422483) matches the descriptive presented by SRO Dunn in his School Police report 2011-11477.

However, there was ONE big issue. SRO Dunn never filed a criminal report, nor opened a criminal investigation, surrounding the stolen jewelry. Instead, and as a result of pressure from M-DSPD Chief Hurley to avoid criminal reports for black male students, Dunn wrote up the jewelry as “found items”, and transferred them, along with the burglary tool, to the Miami-Dade Police property room where they sat on a shelf unassigned to anyone for investigation.



- Article http://patdollard.com/2013/06/trayvon-martins-involvement-in-local-burglaries-covered-up-by-media-school-police/

2. Testimony was given during the trial that a burglery type, "slim-jim", tool was found behind some bushes in the area where they believe Trayvon hid while waiting for GZ to return back along the walkway to the area of the "T".

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/justice/zimmerman-trial-updates

A few days after the shooting, Serino says a tool was found in the bushes behind one of the witness's homes.

"It was a piece of an awning; I believe it was a piece of a window, piece of hardware basically. It looked like a slim jim," said Serino. He explains that this tool is used to break windows.
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby Josh189 on Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:02 pm

illbits wrote:
Josh189 wrote:This country is getting out of hand. As well as the whole racism bit. Black people are probably the most racist of any demographic. Look at this case. Even though the shooter was Hispanic, the media called him a White Hispanic or self proclaimed Hispanic. To me this is BS. Whenever something bad happens to a black person, it's AUTOMATICALLY racism. I'm wondering when this is going to stop. As for the rioting. Why is it only Black people that riot?
Also, this Civil Rights Violation charge that's coming. That could set a pretty bad precedent in court for anyone that defends themselves against a Black person. We need to get away from giving people racial labels. If there were no racial labels in this case there would be no rioting or worry. This case wouldn't even have been tried.
That's my 2 cents.

J.

You just gave people "racial labels" at least 4 times in less then 2 paragraphs. Did you bump your head or something?


You didn't get my point which was to show how many different 'labels there are' (in just 2 paragraphs on one topic); if there were none, how much strife would it avoid? But thanks for being analytical.
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby tman on Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:15 pm

GPA isn't necessarily an indicator of lack of criminality.


I know a really really smart kid who turned out to be a burglar.
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby CraigJS on Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:58 pm

If you have the opportunity read Martins tweets. Not the angel the criers are stating.. Looking for guns, selling drugs, wanting to be a "gangsta"..
And what's with the photo of him when he was 13 or 14, not 17-18 and 6'3" and 150lbs. (my bad, sorry)
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby gunsmith on Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:15 pm

CraigJS wrote:If you have the opportunity read Martins tweets. Not the angel the criers are stating.. Looking for guns, selling drugs, wanting to be a "gangsta"..
And what's with the photo of him when he was 13 or 14, not 17-18 and 180 lbs.


Where do I find the tweets. Including those was the uproar where the judge walked out at 10:00 pm HIDING THE TEXTS FROM THE DEFENSE is the subject of an ethical complaint by the defense....this whole prosecution smells like the Outhouse at Oakdale in July....
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby Heffay on Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:32 pm

CraigJS wrote:If you have the opportunity read Martins tweets. Not the angel the criers are stating.. Looking for guns, selling drugs, wanting to be a "gangsta"..
And what's with the photo of him when he was 13 or 14, not 17-18 and 180 lbs.


18 years old, 180 lbs?

Whatever you do, you should NEVER try out to be one of those carnies that guess age/weight. Especially considering that information is GIVEN to you in advance.
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby CraigJS on Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:24 pm

I'll let you act the carnie...
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby connsolo on Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:40 pm

How many of us can say we were fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizens at 17? I know I can't. Heck, I did worse things as a teen than the stuff Martin was caught doing. Zimmerman was the only witness to how the altercation began, and a certifiable doofus. So the state didn't have enough evidence to convict. Good for Zimmerman, but just because he has a carry permit doesn't make him a buddy or stand-up guy. One thing is certain, all this bs about Martin deserving it or the world being better off without him is low-class and reflects poorly on those who make such comments.
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby Heffay on Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:49 pm

connsolo wrote:How many of us can say we were fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizens at 17? I know I can't. Heck, I did worse things as a teen than the stuff Martin was caught doing. Zimmerman was the only witness to how the altercation began, and a certifiable doofus. So the state didn't have enough evidence to convict. Good for Zimmerman, but just because he has a carry permit doesn't make him a buddy or stand-up guy. One thing is certain, all this bs about Martin deserving it or the world being better off without him is low-class and reflects poorly on those who make such comments.


I can! I was a veritable Boy Scout. Didn't even start drinking until 21 like a good boy.

It was sad in hindsight. Should have done something wrong at least once.
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby SparkyJeff on Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:54 pm

connsolo wrote:How many of us can say we were fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizens at 17? I know I can't. Heck, I did worse things as a teen than the stuff Martin was caught doing. <snip>


I didn't.
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby jgalt on Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:55 pm

SparkyJeff wrote:
connsolo wrote:How many of us can say we were fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizens at 17? I know I can't. Heck, I did worse things as a teen than the stuff Martin was caught doing. <snip>


I didn't.
The fact that you score higher on whatever scale you are using for judgment of bad behavior won't change anything in the case in FL.


^^^ This ^^^
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby The Lance on Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:21 pm

I'm not down with the republican party, or the democratic party. I represent the MI6
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby XDM45 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:22 am

grousemaster wrote:What lead you to the conclusion that TM was a "thug"


According to definition 1 of the Oxford Dictionary for the word "thug", it's "1 a violent person, especially a criminal:"

GZ looked pretty bloody, I'd say it was an act of violent crime assassin him by TM (and apparently the jury and I agree), so it fits the bill. for "thug".

grousemaster wrote:and deserved to be killed?

When TM attacked GZ, he sealed his own fate. I'm not sorry GZ shot TM, but I'm sorry that he had to in order to save his own life and defend himself.

grousemaster wrote:Was it the gold teeth? The weed habit?

Those things don't help with his image, that's for sure.

grousemaster wrote:How do you even know the handgun is illegal.

The gun may be legal, but would you bet on that? At 17, his sole possession of it is illegal, It wasn't a photo of his dad and him at the local range.
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby Heffay on Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:27 am

XDM45 wrote:
grousemaster wrote:How do you even know the handgun is illegal.

The gun may be legal, but would you bet on that? At 17, his sole possession of it is illegal, It wasn't a photo of his dad and him at the local range.


Someone took the picture. There's a more than reasonable chance that the person taking the picture owned the gun.
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Re: NOT GUILTY!

Postby XDM45 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:37 am

Heffay wrote:
XDM45 wrote:
grousemaster wrote:How do you even know the handgun is illegal.

The gun may be legal, but would you bet on that? At 17, his sole possession of it is illegal, It wasn't a photo of his dad and him at the local range.


Someone took the picture. There's a more than reasonable chance that the person taking the picture owned the gun.


Perhaps. I don't know for sure. However if someone is smoking dope, emulating the "Gangsta Life", wearing gold teeth, what are the chances they have a legal gun? Stereotyping? Yup. It is....and people do it all the time.
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