Dayton on record AGAINST 'STAND YOUR GROUND'

[gunsmith]

Time out. SYG passed in the previous leg session and Dayton Vetoed it. MCPPA was passed through Dem houses and then signed by Rep Gov.

Remember AMY KLOBUCHAR used to be the HennCo Atty. Al Sharpton gets on a plane to msp and you're gonna get Lynched.

[jstiegs]

Stand your ground isn't needed.

Plain and simple.

Trolling again I see.

Do we need to start a WHOLE NEW THREAD about what the difference between trolling and opinions are?

Probably. You look pretty new.

I've been here long enough to see that your opinions are typically on here only to get a negative reaction from others. To me that's trolling

[Heffay]

I've been here long enough to see that your opinions are typically on here only to get a negative reaction from others. To me that's trolling

Hang out in monocultures much?

[sgruenhagen44]

I've been here long enough to see that your opinions are typically on here only to get a negative reaction from others. To me that's trolling

Hang out in monocultures much?

He specializes in growing corn.

[hkrada]

If Heffay had any real life experience, like what Zimmerman went through, he would understand that NO law abiding American citizen should have to turn and run from a criminal. Stand your ground.

[Hmac]

If Heffay had any real life experience, like what Zimmerman went through, he would understand that NO law abiding American citizen should have to turn and run from a criminal. Stand your ground.

Better to just blow 'em away?

I'll bet George Zimmerman wishes he'd had the opportunity to have turned around and run from Trayvon Martin.

[Heffay]

If Heffay had any real life experience, like what Zimmerman went through, he would understand that NO law abiding American citizen should have to turn and run from a criminal. Stand your ground.

Trayvon was a criminal before he laid a hand on Zimmerman? Interesting. What made Trayvon a criminal?

[Snakeman721]

If Heffay had any real life experience, like what Zimmerman went through, he would understand that NO law abiding American citizen should have to turn and run from a criminal. Stand your ground.

Trayvon was a criminal before he laid a hand on Zimmerman? Interesting. What made Trayvon a criminal?

Illegal possession of drugs (marijuana), possible illegal possession of a handgun, stolen goods (womens jewelry) found on his possession...for starters.

[Heffay]

If Heffay had any real life experience, like what Zimmerman went through, he would understand that NO law abiding American citizen should have to turn and run from a criminal. Stand your ground.

Trayvon was a criminal before he laid a hand on Zimmerman? Interesting. What made Trayvon a criminal?

Illegal possession of drugs (marijuana), possible illegal possession of a handgun, stolen goods (womens jewelry) found on his possession...for starters.

Can you print up his rap sheet? Also: how much of that info (even the speculation that you are putting out there) was available to Zimmerman, or was it CLEAR he was a pot-smoker just by the way he looked?

[hkrada]

If Heffay had any real life experience, like what Zimmerman went through, he would understand that NO law abiding American citizen should have to turn and run from a criminal. Stand your ground.

Better to just blow 'em away?

I'll bet George Zimmerman wishes he'd had the opportunity to have turned around and run from Trayvon Martin.

What do we have here? a bunch of Mary's who toss aside God given Rights? I'll bet Zimmerman wishes alot of things, but it doesn't change the fact that a person should be able to go anywhere without having to plan a hasty retreat because some one thinks that they can do what ever illegal acts they desire. Again it's simple, if you are abiding the law, stand your ground.

[Hmac]

If Heffay had any real life experience, like what Zimmerman went through, he would understand that NO law abiding American citizen should have to turn and run from a criminal. Stand your ground.

Better to just blow 'em away?

I'll bet George Zimmerman wishes he'd had the opportunity to have turned around and run from Trayvon Martin.

What do we have here? a bunch of Mary's who toss aside God given Rights? I'll bet Zimmerman wishes alot of things, but it doesn't change the fact that a person should be able to go anywhere without having to plan a hasty retreat because some one thinks that they can do what ever illegal acts they desire. Again it's simple, if you are abiding the law, stand your ground.

I would run away from a bad guy if it meant I didn't have to kill him. I won't hesitate to use lethal force to protect my life or the life of another. I don't see it as a tool to protect my pride.

[Heffay]

If Heffay had any real life experience, like what Zimmerman went through, he would understand that NO law abiding American citizen should have to turn and run from a criminal. Stand your ground.

Better to just blow 'em away?

I'll bet George Zimmerman wishes he'd had the opportunity to have turned around and run from Trayvon Martin.

What do we have here? a bunch of Mary's who toss aside God given Rights? I'll bet Zimmerman wishes alot of things, but it doesn't change the fact that a person should be able to go anywhere without having to plan a hasty retreat because some one thinks that they can do what ever illegal acts they desire. Again it's simple, if you are abiding the law, stand your ground.

Look at this operator here! So glad we have people around here like him. People who are keeping it real, yo!

[jshuberg]

Heffay, you seem to think stand your ground does something that it does not. It does two things in Florida, it removes the duty to retreat, and provides an alternate process in the form of a stand your ground hearing to the standard self defense procedures. What was passed in MN by the legislature and vetoed by Dayton was simply the elimination of the duty to retreat.

What does it mean the duty to retreat? It doesn't mean what you think it does. It doesn't mean that Zimmerman would have been guilty for having gotten out of his car and followed Martin. The duty to retreat begins at the moment that violence is introduced into an encounter. Prior to the introduction of violence, no duty to retreat exists, and nothing a person does that is lawful can be used against him as evidence of a failure to retreat, or being a willing participant to the violence. The duty to retreat begins at the point where violence is introduced into an encounter, and the requirement to retreat is prior to your use of violence to defend yourself. If you fight back, it can be argued that the window of time where you were required to retreat has closed, and if you've missed it, self-defense is no longer an option for you. This is in all practicality a very small window of time, measured in seconds or even less. When a person is attacked with violence, his reaction is going to be entirely instinctual. Some people will flee, some will fight back. Requiring a person to flee if possible requires him to do something completely unnatural - to fail to act instinctively when attacked, but rather to make a calculated and rational decision as to whether an avenue of retreat exists, and if taking it under the circumstances is practical.

While the duty to retreat sounds like a good idea on it's face, making it a requirement in those few fractions of a second you have to react to save your life is simply unreasonable. Where people go wrong is in the false belief that the duty to retreat exists prior to an encounter becoming violent, like during an argument, or if someone follows or approaches the other where it eventually leads to violence. It doesn't. Zimmerman following Martin prior to the introduction of violence would not have been a violation of the duty to retreat. Stand your ground was in no way an issue in the Zimmerman case - it's introduction as a talking point is nothing more than a distraction from the fact that the media, civil rights leaders, and liberal politicians all jumped to an incorrect conclusion, which was that Zimmerman was a racist who killed Martin because he was black. They were wrong, the jury recognized this, and now they have to find something to rail against to keep people from realizing that they were nothing but race-baiting frauds.

Regardless of whether the duty to retreat exists or not, anything that you do that is lawful prior to the violence, no matter how stupid, cannot be used against you as evidence of your having committed a crime. All a duty to retreat does is introduce the potential to turn victims into criminals in the courtroom. It has absolutely zero effect on how a person will instinctively react to being attacked with violence.

[Heffay]

So, what you're saying is that it's a useless law and not really needed. Got it.

[gunsmith]

TrayBaby got himself killed as a result of a 40 second beating he gave to George Zimmerman.

This is where he was headed....armed with his 'Nose-Breaking-Fist' and concrete.

LOS ANGELES -- A 43-year-old house painter so badly brain damaged that he can't speak has been awarded $58 million by a jury after a beating at a bar left him with half his skull permanently bashed in.

Antonio Lopez Chaj (chy) appeared at a news conference Monday with lawyers who announced the award handed down against a security company Friday in Torrance Superior Court.

It was among the largest damage awards ever given to one person in California, the lawyers said. They said they expect an appeal and there could be settlement negotiations before Chaj receives anything.

Chaj had to be supported by relatives at the news conference. When he took off a baseball cap hiding his injuries, gasps could be heard from people present.

"His skull is like a pie with 25 percent cut out of it," said attorney Federico Sayre.

Chaj was attacked at a mid-Wilshire bar after trying to intercede in an attack by a bartender and security guard on two relatives who were with him.

Lawyers said an unlicensed, untrained security guard beat Chaj with a baton, kicked him in the head eight times and smashed his skull against pavement four times.

"It was truly a horrendous and brutal beating by a guy who shouldn't have been working at all," said Sayre, who represented Chaj along with Fernando Chavez, the son of famed civil rights leader Cesar Chavez.

The security guard, Emerson Quintanilla, and the bartender-manager who sparked the attack have disappeared without a trace, Sayre said.

When was Baby-Tray going to stop the beating? 50 seconds 70 seconds...would the finale be done with his boots?

Happens daily in Chicago/Detroit.

And according to Miami's own Girl-Einstein Rachel Jaentel...'Trayvon wdnt gnnna kill Zimmerman, DAT WUZ JUS WHOOPASS"