'Warning shot" / "Supressive Fire" in 'Mob' Atack

[gunsmith]

I am going to politely excuse myself from this discussion,
Thank you and goodnight.

I think that's called 'taking the High Road'

And Where's Heffay....shouldn't he be here mucking things up?

[gunsmith]

I'm thinking, warning shots/'suppressive fire' is just a waste of ammo. The best deterrence will be assailants falling down. In my humble opinion, the training you have is still valid.

I'm agreeing and I'm adding in the mess Zimmerman got into. He got lynched....you heard the prosecutors.

Of course 'Either lethal force is justified ...or it isn't'

What if Zimmerman put one shot into the wet grass that night.

I put my hand on my (pocket carried) gun all the time...

I was mugged once, assaulted once and my 'street cat' behavior is pretty good.

I practice aiming right to the heart....but you wonder...'what if' 'what if I lowered

the muzzle 90 degrees and put the bullet in the ground?

It will pass. I think effort is better spent on refining 'Verbal Commands' which could have

prevented Zimmerman's mess.

We'll see.

[xd ED]

I am going to politely excuse myself from this discussion,
Thank you and goodnight.

I think that's called 'taking the High Road'

And Where's Heffay....shouldn't he be here mucking things up?

I took it more as shooting the messenger when one dislikes the inconvenient message.
And yes, the refreshment of pinky's absence is noted.

[grousemaster]

According to the FBI, there were 577 crimes motivated by anti-white bias in 2011, nationwide. There were 575 anti-white crimes in 2010, 545 in 2009 and 716 in 2008. There were more than 2,000 crimes motivated by anti-black bias in each one of those years (almost 2,500 in 2011). There are also far more anti-gay hate crimes than anti-white each year as well. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ha ... es/table-1

The murder of the white baseball player was determined immediately to be non-racial (despite anti-white rants by the perps)...that should give you a hint as to the accuracy of these statistics.

[AlbertL]

As a black gun owner and frequent reader of this forum I am a bit perplexed? Is it the point of this thread that the greatest danger is black mob violence? That the greatest fear should be the fear of black violence against the majority population? I am just a bit confused.

[Pat Cannon]

As a black gun owner and frequent reader of this forum I am a bit perplexed? Is it the point of this thread that the greatest danger is black mob violence? That the greatest fear should be the fear of black violence against the majority population? I am just a bit confused.

I take the original post to imply that it is a danger, but nobody in his right mind thinks it's the greatest danger. Not many think it's a significant danger, statistically. Personally I'm inclined to agree with what I take to be your impression -- that some people worry about it way more than makes any sense.

Having said all that, people who decide to carry a gun are inherently of a mindset of preparation for the unlikely. You know, like zombies.

[AlbertL]

I understand Pat.it is when the folks here are referencing the Racial Nationalist Library for statistics I have to question the true basis of this discussion. Black people are not zombies! The problem as I see it I we ll tend to paint people with a very broad brush and see "them" as the problem. I read a lot of gun forums and sadly there seems to be quite a bit of this belief that "they" are the problem. In truth if we are truly honest we are in more danger from our own kind because that is who we are around the most. I am a patriotic American and deeply believe in the sanctity of all our rights especially our Second Amendment rights, and want to be an active member of this community of like minded Americans but sadly my fellow gun folks are not always as welcoming!

[Pat Cannon]

I understand Pat.it is when the folks here are referencing the Racial Nationalist Library for statistics I have to question the true basis of this discussion.

Heh, I never heard of the Racial Nationalist Library before. It looks really stupid. But I didn't see where anybody here referred to it, and I didn't see any reference to it in the pointlessly fearmongering Paramus Post article that was linked to. Did I miss the reference you're referring to?

Black people are not zombies!

Not until they get bitten by a zombie. After that it's a technical question of whether you retain your racial identity after you transform.

The problem as I see it I we ll tend to paint people with a very broad brush and see "them" as the problem.

Very true!

I read a lot of gun forums and sadly there seems to be quite a bit of this belief that "they" are the problem.

Sadly, this, too, is all too true.

In truth if we are truly honest we are in more danger from our own kind because that is who we are around the most.

Also a valid observation; the only person I knew personally who was shot, was shot by his wife.

I am a patriotic American and deeply believe in the sanctity of all our rights especially our Second Amendment rights, and want to be an active member of this community of like minded Americans but sadly my fellow gun folks are not always as welcoming!

I guess all I really want to say is, sure, there's people in the gun community who think the world is flat. So what? It's a microcosm of the imperfect world we live in. "Always welcoming" is an unrealistic standard. So welcome aboard!

[AlbertL]

In the response from one of the forum members in this thread he referenced that a bit of googling and had a link to Interracial Rape Statitcs that took you to the Racial Nationalist site I mentioned. I appreciate your response Pat, and I am not unrealistic. I don't believe this is a perfect world, but I read a lot of forum posts here and elsewhere that leads me to believe that inspite of my common held beliefs with the gun community, a lot of its members would not be accepting of me. I am too old to worry about it personally I am not looking for validation. I am just curious when I read those type of statements that there isn't much of a negative response to them, I wonder if it implies general agreement or are folks just avoiding making anything of it. I have always been fascinated with people and group dynamics, just makes me curious. I have learned a lot reading this forum. I came to active gun use and ownership rather late in life. The folks here are every knowledgeable and I do enjoy the time I spend here learning.

[xd ED]

In the response from one of the forum members in this thread he referenced that a bit of googling and had a link to Interracial Rape Statitcs that took you to the Racial Nationalist site I mentioned. I appreciate your response Pat, and I am not unrealistic. I don't believe this is a perfect world, but I read a lot of forum posts here and elsewhere that leads me to believe that inspite of my common held beliefs with the gun community, a lot of its members would not be accepting of me. I am too old to worry about it personally I am not looking for validation. I am just curious when I read those type of statements that there isn't much of a negative response to them, I wonder if it implies general agreement or are folks just avoiding making anything of it. I have always been fascinated with people and group dynamics, just makes me curious. I have learned a lot reading this forum. I came to active gun use and ownership rather late in life. The folks here are every knowledgeable and I do enjoy the time I spend here learning.

I suspect I am the poster of the link you reference. To be honest, I did not cross check or independently verify the information against other sources. Nor was I familiar with the site or its other content. It may well be that the statistics are an embellishment, if not fabrication. It was nothing more than random chance that the link was chosen from a google search. Whether or not the statistics are accurate, I now share your suspicion of them and the site.
I'd edit the post and remove the link, but pretending that stupid and ignorant things don't/ didn't happen is counterproductive.


Welcome, and I hope you'll remain part of the forum.

ED