Another reason to not live in California.

[ericinmn1970]

Legally your sex can be changed by a Judge. Just like your name.

Did not know that! Although, I've spent no amount of time doing any thorough research on the topic in general, so there's much I do not know.

[bensdad]

This is the most pathetic, and yet striking, example of the selfish, self-interested, egotistical, fanatic, arrogant and childish attitude of the politically active segment of the GLBT population. The notion that they would subject a lockeroom full of females to the presence of a male (granted, in some phase of transition) is reprehensible. There is no excuse for it. This is moonbat to the nth degree. The rights of one end where the rights of another begin. My God get over yourselves.

[goaliemn]

This is the most pathetic, and yet striking, example of the selfish, self-interested, egotistical, fanatic, arrogant and childish attitude of the politically active segment of the GLBT population. The notion that they would subject a lockeroom full of females to the presence of a male (granted, in some phase of transition) is reprehensible. There is no excuse for it. This is moonbat to the nth degree. The rights of one end where the rights of another begin. My God get over yourselves.

as oppose to subjecting themselves to a locker room full of males that would, more than likely, want to inflict some harm onto them? I think that's reprehensible.

I'd be more in line with opening up a teachers locker room for them to use, since they are physically/emotionally in a different category than either sex right now.

[Erud]

This is the most pathetic, and yet striking, example of the selfish, self-interested, egotistical, fanatic, arrogant and childish attitude of the politically active segment of the GLBT population. The notion that they would subject a lockeroom full of females to the presence of a male (granted, in some phase of transition) is reprehensible. There is no excuse for it. This is moonbat to the nth degree. The rights of one end where the rights of another begin. My God get over yourselves.

as oppose to subjecting themselves to a locker room full of males that would, more than likely, want to inflict some harm onto them? I think that's reprehensible.

I'd be more in line with opening up a teachers locker room for them to use, since they are physically/emotionally in a different category than either sex right now.

Goaliemn,
Do you believe that those same males would have no issue with the transgender kid, just as long as he uses the girls (or staff) bathroom and lockers? Seems like that might make him stand out even more. You can't be protected from everything, and shouldn't really expect to be, even if you're gay, lesbian, transexual, etc. Life is hard sometimes, and not just for you.

[goaliemn]

Goaliemn,
Do you believe that those same males would have no issue with the transgender kid, just as long as he uses the girls (or staff) bathroom and lockers? Seems like that might make him stand out even more. You can't be protected from everything, and shouldn't really expect to be, even if you're gay, lesbian, transexual, etc. Life is hard sometimes, and not just for you.

It would be one less opportunity for them to taunt them and/or physically attack them as most locker rooms aren't watched that closely.

Would other kids have no issues if he used another bathroom? no. But it would help put some kids at ease, as well as parents.

You're right. you can't be protected from everything, but should you be put in a potentially unsupervised dangerous situation, like a locker room?

[Erud]

Goaliemn,
Do you believe that those same males would have no issue with the transgender kid, just as long as he uses the girls (or staff) bathroom and lockers? Seems like that might make him stand out even more. You can't be protected from everything, and shouldn't really expect to be, even if you're gay, lesbian, transexual, etc. Life is hard sometimes, and not just for you.

It would be one less opportunity for them to taunt them and/or physically attack them as most locker rooms aren't watched that closely.

Would other kids have no issues if he used another bathroom? no. But it would help put some kids at ease, as well as parents.

You're right. you can't be protected from everything, but should you be put in a potentially unsupervised dangerous situation, like a locker room?

I don't see why not, the rest of us are. Plenty of straight kids get beat up in locker rooms too, at least they did when I was in school.

[bensdad]

If they're so fragile that everyone else has to step lightly, maybe they should just step away. Come back to school when you've got your place/role in society figured out. Why does everyone else under the sun have to radically adjust their lives for the special protected class?

Whatever. Put a penis in front of my teenage girl, in a place where she's expected to change clothes herself. See what happens.

[goaliemn]

I don't see why not, the rest of us are. Plenty of straight kids get beat up in locker rooms too, at least they did when I was in school.

So its ok to subject a kid to an environment where they are more than likely going to get hurt, because of differences they have. Good to know how you feel.

If they're so fragile that everyone else has to step lightly, maybe they should just step away. Come back to school when you've got your place/role in society figured out. Why does everyone else under the sun have to radically adjust their lives for the special protected class?

There are plenty of things that have been adjusted to accomodate kids that have various issues. This is just another one. Are you suggesting we don't accomodate any differences in kids? Only accomodate the "normal" kids?

Whatever. Put a penis in front of my teenage girl, in a place where she's expected to change clothes herself. See what happens.

If they've started the transitioning process, they won't have much of one, as it tends to shrink quickly due to the hormones, and errections are non-existant. Remember, people doing this aren't doing it so they can look at your teenage girl. They're doing this because they feel they were born in the wrong body type.

Its not an easy process nor easy for many to come to terms with. There's a high suicide rate of transgendered youths (studies have shown 45% have attempted it at least once) and alot of that is caused by issues like locker room beatings, or hazing by classmates.

[jshuberg]

I'm actually a falcon trapped in a human beings body. I believe that the state should pay for me to have feathers surgically attached to my body. I believe that the rest of society must engage me in my belief, and treat me like the wonderful bird I actually am. If anyone laughs at me or treats me like a human, they should be charged with hate crimes. Maybe I should just move to California where even the most ridiculous delusions are treated as a perfectly normal alternate lifestyles.

[LePetomane]

Why does everyone else under the sun have to radically adjust their lives for the special protected class?

You don't. I'm sure you are a decent person and treat others around you with respect. Why walk on egshells around these types? This is the political class legislating behavior and trying to dictate how we treat the professionally offended.

To me the term "protected class" means nothing more than someone who is looking to be offended. They are just looking for a fight. These people deserve no better treatment than you and I do. They don't contribute to society any more than you and I do. Our lives are not enriched by them. Most of the time they are nothing more than a nuisance and a distraction.

[jshuberg]

But I'm a birdie, I'm more specialer than you are!!!

[bensdad]

Goaliemn, I'll only say this once, cuz I'm pretty sure you're smart... and you'll understand.

As long as folks insist on being treated like they're special, they'll be treated like they're special. And here's the cold hard truth: special isn't the same as normal.

[LePetomane]

But I'm a birdie, I'm more specialer than you are!!!

Nice try, but you are not. I think that the problems begin when these alternative lifestyle folks are treated as "special" out of fear. The politically correct are scared to death of these people. They won't admit it and hide their fears by pandering to them. It's a good thing that the alternative lifestyle people don't gravitate to my line of business and bring their freak show here. And it is a freak show.

[jshuberg]

I'm fine with people living their lives any way they want, however strange or foreign or freaked out it might seem to me. Up until the point where they presume to demand additional legal rights and privileges, or where I have to adjust my life or lifestyle to accommodate them. That's the point where they've crossed the line with their lifestyle into messing with mine.

If a guy wants to believe they are actually a girl, they have every right to do that. The thing is though, a persons sex is determined by biology, not state of mind. The can want it or believe it as much as they want, but it doesn't change anything. If you have a penis, you're a guy. There's no feelings or opinions or legal determinations that change this. It's biology.

If I had a daughter, and the school she attended allowed someone with a penis to shower with her after gym class, someone would end up in the hospital! It wouldn't matter to me if the guy believed he was a girl, or wanted to be a girl or whatever.

This whole politically correct thing has gone way too far at this point, and a bunch of people have lost their damn minds.

[goaliemn]

I was going to bail after the birdie comments started, but I'll come back to answer this..

Goaliemn, I'll only say this once, cuz I'm pretty sure you're smart... and you'll understand.

As long as folks insist on being treated like they're special, they'll be treated like they're special. And here's the cold hard truth: special isn't the same as normal.

This is the problem.. some don't consider it being treated special to use the facilities for the sex they believe they truly are. People who don't agree with it see it as if they're asking to be treated special.

I know people who have gone through the sex change process.. it isn't an easy process, nor is it a wake up one day and decide I don't want my penis/vagina anymore and I want the other. Once you're diagnosed (yes, there's a whole process out there of tests and therapy) it makes life difficult. There are even states out there trying to pass laws that would ban people from using a bathroom opposite of their original birth certificate sex, even if they've completed their transition, no matter their age..

I did find it interesting the article only touched on male-to-female transitions. They knew it would get the most response from the fathers. Would you guys feel as upset about someone with a vagina transitioning to male using the male locker rooms?