Never did care for Sean Penn..now even less

[LePetomane]

Sounds like F.U.D. to me.

I don't know what F.U.D is but you can hold the lecture, dude.

[XDM45]

Sounds like F.U.D. to me.

I don't know what F.U.D is but you can hold the lecture, dude.

1. No lecture...merely a strong opinion of mine with honest and real questions that I think need to be considered and answered.
2. F.U.D. = Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_unce ... _and_doubt

[LePetomane]

1. It's a lecture and a rant.
2. Can you find a more credible source than Wikipedia?

[Synergy]

XD, I agree with you that yes the guns are his and he can do as he pleases but by doing so he is intentionally sending a message that guns are evil and the sculpture will most likely represent that as well.

[XDM45]

1. It's a lecture and a rant.
2. Can you find a more credible source than Wikipedia?

1. Your opinion. I disagree with it, but that's my opinion. One opinion neither validates nor invalidates the other. I'll agree to disagree in our opinions.

2. I didn't think I needed to do the research for you. I know Wikipedia isn't a great source, but it is a starting one from which you can leapfrog into better sources. Use Google. I kickstarted the research. I'm not going to do it for you or anyone else.

[XDM45]

XD, I agree with you that yes the guns are his and he can do as he pleases but by doing so he is intentionally sending a message that guns are evil and the sculpture will most likely represent that as well.

"I agree with you that yes the guns are his and he can do as he pleases"
That's the part that matters and is factual.

"by doing so he is intentionally sending a message that guns are evil and the sculpture will most likely represent that as well."
That's open to personal interpretation and opinion of each individual who views it. It's far too subjective to make such an assumptive and generalized statement. I certainly agree that some people WILL indeed choose to see it as you say, and also some other people will not. Are we now to go down the road of controlling art? or to tell people what to think? We may not agree with the art, but it is part of the freedom of expression. Both art and the firearm have had major influence within humankind, sometimes art has more than the firearm, other times the firearm has more, it just depends on the situation, however, art is the source of all culture. (art meaning music, painting, sculpture, architecture, etc, in my opinion.)

I'm not saying you don't have a valid point as you see it, I'm saying that not everyone will see it the exact same way; and art should be protected even if (and especially if) we disagree with it, lest all art become lame, tame and the same, leading to a state-driven-approval of art.

[LePetomane]

1. It's a lecture and a rant.
2. Can you find a more credible source than Wikipedia?

1. Your opinion. I disagree with it, but that's my opinion. One opinion neither validates nor invalidates the other. I'll agree to disagree in our opinions.

2. I didn't think I needed to do the research for you. I know Wikipedia isn't a great source, but it is a starting one from which you can leapfrog into better sources. Use Google. I kickstarted the research. I'm not going to do it for you or anyone else.

1. So what's your point then?
2. I have better things to do than researching pop culture acronyms.

[Erud]

1. It's a lecture and a rant.
2. Can you find a more credible source than Wikipedia?

1. Your opinion. I disagree with it, but that's my opinion. One opinion neither validates nor invalidates the other. I'll agree to disagree in our opinions.

2. I didn't think I needed to do the research for you. I know Wikipedia isn't a great source, but it is a starting one from which you can leapfrog into better sources. Use Google. I kickstarted the research. I'm not going to do it for you or anyone else.

1. So what's your point then?
2. I have better things to do than researching pop culture acronyms.

Yeah, like surf internet gun forums!


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[XDM45]

1. So what's your point then?

I thought that my posts were pretty concise, clear and obvious regarding my opinion and points on the matter. At this point I can only assume that:

1. You're trying to troll me by "not understanding" my opinion and points in order to get me to try and simplify them even more for you.....

or

2. You really don't understand.

In that case, I'm afraid I won't abide by the first one (Trolling) and I can't help the second one (Really not understanding).

Guess in either case, you're out of luck.

[Synergy]

XD, I agree with you that yes the guns are his and he can do as he pleases but by doing so he is intentionally sending a message that guns are evil and the sculpture will most likely represent that as well.

"I agree with you that yes the guns are his and he can do as he pleases"
That's the part that matters and is factual.

"by doing so he is intentionally sending a message that guns are evil and the sculpture will most likely represent that as well."
That's open to personal interpretation and opinion of each individual who views it. It's far too subjective to make such an assumptive and generalized statement. I certainly agree that some people WILL indeed choose to see it as you say, and also some other people will not. Are we now to go down the road of controlling art? or to tell people what to think? We may not agree with the art, but it is part of the freedom of expression. Both art and the firearm have had major influence within humankind, sometimes art has more than the firearm, other times the firearm has more, it just depends on the situation, however, art is the source of all culture. (art meaning music, painting, sculpture, architecture, etc, in my opinion.)

I'm not saying you don't have a valid point as you see it, I'm saying that not everyone will see it the exact same way; and art should be protected even if (and especially if) we disagree with it, lest all art become lame, tame and the same, leading to a state-driven-approval of art.

Very true, I just don't agree with his agenda and believe he is sending the wrong message that ill informed people will buy into.

[XDM45]

XD, I agree with you that yes the guns are his and he can do as he pleases but by doing so he is intentionally sending a message that guns are evil and the sculpture will most likely represent that as well.

"I agree with you that yes the guns are his and he can do as he pleases"
That's the part that matters and is factual.

"by doing so he is intentionally sending a message that guns are evil and the sculpture will most likely represent that as well."
That's open to personal interpretation and opinion of each individual who views it. It's far too subjective to make such an assumptive and generalized statement. I certainly agree that some people WILL indeed choose to see it as you say, and also some other people will not. Are we now to go down the road of controlling art? or to tell people what to think? We may not agree with the art, but it is part of the freedom of expression. Both art and the firearm have had major influence within humankind, sometimes art has more than the firearm, other times the firearm has more, it just depends on the situation, however, art is the source of all culture. (art meaning music, painting, sculpture, architecture, etc, in my opinion.)

I'm not saying you don't have a valid point as you see it, I'm saying that not everyone will see it the exact same way; and art should be protected even if (and especially if) we disagree with it, lest all art become lame, tame and the same, leading to a state-driven-approval of art.

Very true, I just don't agree with his agenda and believe he is sending the wrong message that ill informed people will buy into.

Without me asking him and getting an honest answer from Mr Penn, I have no idea what, if any, agenda he may or may not have. Anything else is assumption. You may be right in your assumption, and let's say you are, well, this is still America with some freedoms left in it, for now. He hasn't broken any laws and is withing his legal rights to do as he has.

[Tronster]

He's just doing this so he can keep tapping Charlize Theron.