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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby mrp on Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:35 am

XDM45 wrote:Arguing about opinions is stupid. Everyone believes in their own logical and perceptive truth based on these things as well as their own perceptions, their own beliefs. All of those are in constant flux and change. That's my opinion.


As someone once said, "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts."
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby Frank Ettin on Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:55 am

mrp wrote:
XDM45 wrote:Arguing about opinions is stupid. Everyone believes in their own logical and perceptive truth based on these things as well as their own perceptions, their own beliefs. All of those are in constant flux and change. That's my opinion.


As someone once said, "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts."


While everyone has a right to his opinion, each of us also has the right to challenge an opinion, ask that it be supported with evidence or otherwise substantiated, and ultimately decided to consider or dismiss it. As Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

In my view, all opinions are not equal. There are those I may value, and there are those I reject or dismiss.
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby mrp on Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:43 am

Frank Ettin wrote:
mrp wrote:
XDM45 wrote:Arguing about opinions is stupid. Everyone believes in their own logical and perceptive truth based on these things as well as their own perceptions, their own beliefs. All of those are in constant flux and change. That's my opinion.


As someone once said, "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts."


While everyone has a right to his opinion, each of us also has the right to challenge an opinion, ask that it be supported with evidence or otherwise substantiated, and ultimately decided to consider or dismiss it. As Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

In my view, all opinions are not equal. There are those I may value, and there are those I reject or dismiss.


Yeah, that's kind of where I was going with the quote. There are some folks who think that including "In my opinion" somehow exempts their statements from critique.

this next part goes into OUR personal beliefs.... yours and others will vary...... to us, all opinions are valid and true to each person who holds them, so no arguments, please.


I'm simply voicing my opinion and answer to what I'd do in the situation. People can agree or not. Both are fine with me. I don't care either way


I stated an opinion. If you don't like it, too bad. Perhaps I should just stop posting here altogether because if I have to defend everything I say, I don't need the stress.
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby Hmac on Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:15 pm

Two differing opinions are not equally valid if one of them is based on faulty or incomplete understanding of the facts.
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby XDM45 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:24 pm

mrp wrote:
XDM45 wrote:Arguing about opinions is stupid. Everyone believes in their own logical and perceptive truth based on these things as well as their own perceptions, their own beliefs. All of those are in constant flux and change. That's my opinion.


We each have our own.
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby XDM45 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:25 pm

Hmac wrote:Two differing opinions are not equally valid if one of them is based on faulty or incomplete understanding of the facts.


Well, that's another opinion.
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby XDM45 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:27 pm

mrp wrote:Yeah, that's kind of where I was going with the quote. There are some folks who think that including "In my opinion" somehow exempts their statements from critique.


Not at all in my opinion. If someone feels the need to critique my opinions, good for them. Likewise, I've never felt or said that my opinions are exempt from critique, have at it all they want. Whatever floats their happy boat.
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby XDM45 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:29 pm

Frank Ettin wrote:In my view, all opinions are not equal.

That's your opinion. Mine is different from yours. God for us both. I am comfortable with both.

Frank Ettin wrote:There are those I may value, and there are those I reject or dismiss.

I value them all, even those I may reject or dismiss.
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby Hmac on Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:47 am

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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby mrp on Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:19 am

XDM45 wrote:
mrp wrote:Yeah, that's kind of where I was going with the quote. There are some folks who think that including "In my opinion" somehow exempts their statements from critique.


Not at all in my opinion. If someone feels the need to critique my opinions, good for them. Likewise, I've never felt or said that my opinions are exempt from critique, have at it all they want. Whatever floats their happy boat.


Perhaps you didn't recognize these three quotes at the end of my post as being yours:

this next part goes into OUR personal beliefs.... yours and others will vary...... to us, all opinions are valid and true to each person who holds them, so no arguments, please.


I'm simply voicing my opinion and answer to what I'd do in the situation. People can agree or not. Both are fine with me. I don't care either way


I stated an opinion. If you don't like it, too bad. Perhaps I should just stop posting here altogether because if I have to defend everything I say, I don't need the stress.
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby Squib Joe on Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:17 pm

What was the topic again? Have you guys been smoking something? :?
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby XDM45 on Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:50 pm

mrp wrote:
XDM45 wrote:
mrp wrote:Yeah, that's kind of where I was going with the quote. There are some folks who think that including "In my opinion" somehow exempts their statements from critique.


Not at all in my opinion. If someone feels the need to critique my opinions, good for them. Likewise, I've never felt or said that my opinions are exempt from critique, have at it all they want. Whatever floats their happy boat.


Perhaps you didn't recognize these three quotes at the end of my post as being yours:

this next part goes into OUR personal beliefs.... yours and others will vary...... to us, all opinions are valid and true to each person who holds them, so no arguments, please.


I'm simply voicing my opinion and answer to what I'd do in the situation. People can agree or not. Both are fine with me. I don't care either way


I stated an opinion. If you don't like it, too bad. Perhaps I should just stop posting here altogether because if I have to defend everything I say, I don't need the stress.


Formatting error on my part.
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby steve4102 on Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:41 am

Another Medical Marijuana user denied "permit-to-carry".

RICHLAND, WA - A Richland medical marijuana patient recently applied for a Concealed Pistol License, but was denied by police.

Medical marijuana is legal under Washington state law, but the federal government won't make an exception for that when it comes to getting a Concealed Pistol License.

Richland police sent the medical marijuana patient a letter stating that federal law prohibits anyone who uses a controlled substance from "shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition."

And even if marijuana is legal here, it's still illegal at the federal level.

When anyone applies for a concealed weapons permit with Richland police, they have to follow these federal restrictions.


http://www.nbcrightnow.com/story/247916 ... ol-license
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby XDM45 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:10 am

You know what I find funny/odd (and hypocritical), is that that Marijuana is a Schedule 1 drug which it is partly because the US Government says that it doesn't have any medicinal purpose; and yet US Patent 6,630,507 is held by the US Government. A patent for CBD, one of the key ingredients in Marijuana, and the patent is for medicinal purposes of that ingredient. Check it out. http://www.google.com/patents/US6630507

So how can this be? How can the US Government say it doesn't have any medicinal purposes and yet they hold a US Patent for that VERY REASON of medicinal purposes??????

Hypocrisy? I think so.

You may also want to search Google for "Charollette's Web" - https://www.google.com/#q=charlotte's+web+weed&safe=off

Now as for this next part, unless you've been there, I think you can't really speak about it. Some things just need to be experienced to really be understood, like war. In my case it's not war, but terminal Cancer. I have it. Hopefully you don't now or will ever have it. Right now my pain is under control, but as this progresses, will it be? The nausea meds don't work well if at all, and the lack of appetite sucks to the point of being non-existent, both of these issues I believe would be fixed with medicinal marijuana. I (and others) suffer needlessly because of some effed up laws. Maybe like many, I will need to move to Colorado to legally get the help I need.

I've already sold all of my guns since I don't want my Stage 4 Malignant Melanoma tumor-ridden liver to work harder than it has to by having to process lead out of it from me shooting guns. (I no longer drink as well, not that I was a big boozer to begin with anyway.)

Since no guns, I may as well turn in my PTC.

I hope medicinal Marijuana becomes legal in Minnesota and nationwide because the time is approaching where I may need it. Without any guns or a PTC, no violations (at least at the state level) will occur for me if and when that time comes. Much like same sex marriages, I think Marijuana legalization will need to be fought for at the grassroots level on a state by state basis until the vast majority are for it. Then, the federal government will bend. Until then, many people suffer needlessly.

I also don't oppose those who want it for recreational usage because I think it should be legal in that arena as well.
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Re: Legalized Marijuana and Firearms.

Postby Snakeman721 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:05 pm

They should make medical AND recreational marijuana legal across the board in all 50 states and then treat it exactly like they treat alcohol....gotta be 21 to use it, subject to DUI laws, etc. Note...I DON'T use marijuana and never will, but this "war on drugs" has gone on long enough with practically NO results and a HUGE waste of taxpayer money.
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