BCA Issues 2014 PTC Stats

View · by **photogpat** on Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:46 pm

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-di ... Report.pdf

181,402 valid permits.

This just in: Blood STILL NOT Running In The Streets...

View · by **Ghost** on Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:41 pm

I thought this line was interesting, surprised you win an appeal if you threatened to kill a peace officer. Obviously don't know the specifics but was interesting.

][Dakota][Threats to kill peace officers, reference Oakdale Case #][YES][Issued][

View · by **maddhunter** on Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:49 pm

That is a lot of reading material for only $6500.00 of our tax dollars. I thought state workers were compensated better than that . Did anyone else notice that they did not do a grand total of expenses or funds generated by the application permits? Seems they want us to do the math on our own. Or did I miss it?

View · by **jshuberg** on Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:16 pm

Ghost wrote:I thought this line was interesting, surprised you win an appeal if you threatened to kill a peace officer. Obviously don't know the specifics but was interesting.

][Dakota][Threats to kill peace officers, reference Oakdale Case #][YES][Issued][

We have absolutely no context of what the situation was. For example, it could have been a drunken threat that he made when he was an 18 year old kid. But now as 60 year old man, should that incident in his past be considered evidence that he is currently a danger to self or others? Of course not.

When reading a summary report, you have to realize that it lacks any of the necessary context from which conclusions can be drawn beyond the raw numbers. Every appeal is heard by a judge where the details and context are everything.

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View · by **shooter115** on Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:47 pm

Ha....I'm sitting right next to the only woman in the 21-29 demographic in my county to get her permit this year (coworker). Funny and disappointing at the same time.

View · by **Ghost** on Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:51 pm

jshuberg wrote:
Ghost wrote:I thought this line was interesting, surprised you win an appeal if you threatened to kill a peace officer. Obviously don't know the specifics but was interesting.

][Dakota][Threats to kill peace officers, reference Oakdale Case #][YES][Issued][

We have absolutely no context of what the situation was. For example, it could have been a drunken threat that he made when he was an 18 year old kid. But now as 60 year old man, should that incident in his past be considered evidence that he is currently a danger to self or others? Of course not.

When reading a summary report, you have to realize that it lacks any of the necessary context from which conclusions can be drawn beyond the raw numbers. Every appeal is heard by a judge where the details and context are everything.

Understood, why I pointed out that I don't know the specifics. Still makes it interesting.

View · by **jshuberg** on Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:12 pm

If anything, it's evidence that people are capable of turning their life around, and that a persons civil rights can be restored. The process may not be perfect, but it is working.

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View · by **2in2out** on Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:20 pm

maddhunter wrote:That is a lot of reading material for only $6500.00 of our tax dollars. I thought state workers were compensated better than that . Did anyone else notice that they did not do a grand total of expenses or funds generated by the application permits? Seems they want us to do the math on our own. Or did I miss it?

It must be in there some place, because Bring Me The News reports:

Total revenue tied to permit to carry applicaions? About $3.7 million. About $3.2 million was spent on expenditures related to applications.

View · by **captnviper** on Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:36 pm

Anoka spent $18281 on office machines in 2013 must of broke them all because another $20593 was needed in 2014!! What is an "office machine"?

View · by **photogpat** on Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:57 am

captnviper wrote:Anoka spent $18281 on office machines in 2013 must of broke them all because another $20593 was needed in 2014!! What is an "office machine"?

Keurig for everyone's office, new iPad for everyone, new iPhone 6C+, etc etc etc

View · by **captnviper** on Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:54 am

photogpat wrote:
captnviper wrote:Anoka spent $18281 on office machines in 2013 must of broke them all because another $20593 was needed in 2014!! What is an "office machine"?

Keurig for everyone's office, new iPad for everyone, new iPhone 6C+, etc etc etc

They employ 2 retired sheriffs to do the work!!!!

View · by **photogpat** on Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:02 am

captnviper wrote:They employ 2 retired sheriffs to do the work!!!!

Seems like someone should do a Freedom of Information Act request....

View · by **bstrawse** on Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:20 pm

photogpat wrote:
captnviper wrote:They employ 2 retired sheriffs to do the work!!!!

Seems like someone should do a Freedom of Information Act request....

FOIA = Federal.

State == Minnesota Government Data Practices Act

B

View · by **photogpat** on Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:39 pm

bstrawse wrote:
photogpat wrote:
captnviper wrote:They employ 2 retired sheriffs to do the work!!!!

Seems like someone should do a Freedom of Information Act request....

FOIA = Federal.

State == Minnesota Government Data Practices Act

B

Mea culpa