off topic send money to the good folks at "Memories Pizza"

[ex-LT]

What is a "public business"?

One that conducts business with the general public.

I think I know what Erud is getting at here.

Businesses are defined by their ownership, NOT their clientele. Therefore, the pizzeria in question is a PRIVATE business, not public.
In fact, typically the only "businesses" that are considered public are government entities.

[BigBlue]

Nowhere in the Bible that I have read is there anything about refusing food/flower/photo services to those we think are sinners. As for First Amendment, we are all free to think and say what we want (except "fire" in crowded theater) and be free of Federal Gubmint interference/repression of those thoughts and expressions. That does not mean we will not be pilloried on the interwebs, TV or local newspaper for those thoughts, beliefs and expressions.

So, what part of the bible are the folks following that are: calling names, threatening the owners, posting gay porn on their hacked web site, threatening to burn down the place, and generally being intolerant of intolerance? Seems a person either chooses to 'do onto others' or they don't. Hard to expect tolerance from others when this is how they act.

I'm the Vice President (officer) of a sales for my company. Trust me, there are lots of folks/companies/employees/peers that I would really not like to deal with for any number of reasons. I'm very welcome to my opinions but have a legal and fiduciary responsibility to act in sane, fair, balanced and legal manner

No, really for most of that stuff you don't have an obligation. Nothing in the law says you have to make sane business decisions. You're free to be as irrational as you want. Nothing says you have to make business decisions fairly. Only the legal part is obligated. For instance, I know banks that make business choices (what company to loan money to) based on arbitrary feelings about how said customer's business will behave over time paying back the loan, how likely they are to succeed or fail, or whether that customer will make them 'adequate' return on their investment, or whether that is an business they want to be involved with. Decisions like that are most definitely not 'fair and balanced'. They are made based on assessments of how well the transaction would turn out for the bank and how much they want to do business with that industry (i.e. perhaps turning down a gun-related company).

I guess at the end of the day many people are still going to disagree on philosophies. What sets people apart is how they treat each other when they disagree. I'll take "I'm not interested in doing business" over "I'll burn your place down" any day. One is living to their beliefs, the other is forcing their beliefs. America was started by folks who didn't want beliefs forced upon them.

BB

[45Badger]

So, what part of the bible are the folks following that are: calling names, threatening the owners, posting gay porn on their hacked web site, threatening to burn down the place, and generally being intolerant of intolerance? Seems a person either chooses to 'do onto others' or they don't. Hard to expect tolerance from others when this is how they act.

I'm pretty sure it's not in the bible. I'm also pretty sure the folks doing those things are not doing them in the name of any particular religion

America was started by folks who didn't want beliefs forced upon them.

BB

America was started by folks who did not want to be taxed with no voice/decision rights. A notable number wanted to make George Washington the new king. And about half thought slavery was cool. We have been forcing beliefs on each other and the world for over 200 years. Most of that has been done through our imperfect (yet still the best deal in town) system of representative democracy. Where else could you have the same state send Michelle Bachmann and Al Franked to Washington? Or elect Jesse, Tim, and whacko Mark Dayton as governor?

[Squib Joe]

Businesses are defined by their ownership, NOT their clientele. Therefore, the pizzeria in question is a PRIVATE business, not public. In fact, typically the only "businesses" that are considered public are government entities.

The Civil Rights Act (1964) defines restaurants as public accommodations. Either way, the pizza place in question never declined service to anybody. They refused to participate in an event, which I think by degrees is a different case entirely.

[xd ED]

Erud wrote:
What is a "public business"?

45Badger wrote:
One that conducts business with the general public.

What you just described is the general term of retail; about 27% of US GDP in 2013. Which leaves almost 3/4 of the US economy to be generated elsewhere. I seriously doubt the rest of businesses involved in US commerce are exempt from the US Constitution.

As something of an aside:
I wonder if all those with the situational ethics and sensitivities of apple eco Tim Cook, who questions the morality of doing business with Indiana, but happily generates far more revenue from places like Iran, where women and gays are stoned, and raped on a daily basis, will be equally offended by the Muslim baker who refuses to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

Or could it be this current dust up re the pizza shop is about something other than gay rights, or public accommodation.

I guess we'll just have to wait for the equal outcry from those offended by the pizza shop's actions
https://youtu.be/RgWIhYAtan4

[patrick]

Why don't they pass a law that says Muslims must eat pork?That would be the same as telling a Christian he/she has to provide food/flowers/entertainment etc for a gay marriage.

[patrick]

$815,451 now.Good for them.

[Erud]

Businesses are defined by their ownership, NOT their clientele. Therefore, the pizzeria in question is a PRIVATE business, not public. In fact, typically the only "businesses" that are considered public are government entities.

The Civil Rights Act (1964) defines restaurants as public accommodations. Either way, the pizza place in question never declined service to anybody. They refused to participate in an event, which I think by degrees is a different case entirely.

They actually didn't even do that. The daughter of the owner was asked by a reporter if they would ever cater a gay wedding, and she replied that they wouldn't. Death threats ensued.

[406shark]

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Like I said, no money from me. Ive yet to see anybody specify that their money is where their keyboard is................

Since you asked, even if it's none of anyone's business... I sent them $100.00 yesterday. It was not so much an endorsement of the pizza shop as it was my way of protesting the thugs attempting to hurt them.

I'm not a religious person at all... but I don't like people/groups that try to force individuals to do what they want... or else.




Jeff

[AFTERMATH]

$815,451 now.Good for them.

Dang! I need to set up a gofundaftermath account...

[patrick]

God works in mysterious ways.I left work today and went to a gas station and found a $100.00 bill on the floor.I know what God is telling me to do with it.Global warming/climate change?Nope.God is pissed.

[LePetomane]

The GLBT activists and their straight followers are some of the biggest bullies around. They are not content to just disagree with you. They seek to destroy all who do not support their agenda. Their is no neutral ground with them. If you are not for them then you are against them.

[yuppiejr]

So is the guy who is missing that hundo...


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[yuppiejr]

The GLBT activists and their straight followers are some of the biggest bullies around. They are not content to just disagree with you. They seek to destroy all who do not support their agenda. Their is no neutral ground with them. If you are not for them then you are against them.

This is such ********, I have not spoken with a gay individual who agrees with the tactics used by the folks bullying the shop owners even if they disagree with their position. Your perspective is no different than the anti gunners who think all gun owners are represented by the Texas open carry geeks.


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[LePetomane]

yuppiejr, when you talk to these folks, how do you know they are gay? Or do you assume they are based on mannerisms, speech patterns, dress, etc.. It's unfortunate that you are only able to collectivize people as gay or straight, black or white or hispanic, etc.. and not see them as individuals.