Obama's executive order

[yukonjasper]

Its called incrementalism. They take your rights one little bit at a time. They will get away with whatever they believe they can. The administration believes there is finally "consensus" on "common sense gun safety" measures. They will get away with it and the only hope is that legal challenges reverse the overstep. Only problem is, it only takes the cost of the ink to sign something like this, but it will teams of lawyers lots and lots of time to try to make it go away.

They will start with mentally ill people because "everyone can agree" that this makes sense - Right!? You can't have some maniac running around with guns..............

As for the Sales end of the EO - I don't know how they would presume to enforce that. Would they post sentries at all the gun ranges to check serial numbers and request proper registration papers? If your buying ammunition, will you have to supply the information for the gun that it will be used in? How far will they go?

Remember the excuse is "If we can save just one life - it will be worth it".

[Stylin750]

Here's the other video. I was waiting for, it goes into more detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb6pvjE ... ata_player

The way I understand what I heard is. Now our medical records are open. So if were on anti depressants or anti anxiety meds. The state now has access to that information and if they so choose can send that into the feds and you are now disqualified from firearm ownership.

[Bearcatrp]

Never heard of this lady. Is this person reliable? If so, Obama is one slick mother f%^&#r to do it this way.

[MJY65]

Never heard of this lady. Is this person reliable? If so, Obama is one slick mother f%^&#r to do it this way.

I haven't heard of her either. I tend to be a little skeptical of legal opinions coming from someone who curses like a sailor to make her case.

In the actual EO, I'm seeing removal of HIPPA barriers for states putting cases into the database. I don't see anything(yet) about ATF data mining everyone's medical records.

[george]

It's been said many times,
Drop a frog in a pan of hot water and he will jump out , set a frog in cool water and heat it slowly and by the time he needs to get out he's too weak to do so, perfect theory of gun control over the past 20 years. HAIL TO THE KING

[MJY65]

It's been said many times,
Drop a frog in a pan of hot water and he will jump out , set a frog in cool water and heat it slowly and by the time he needs to get out he's too weak to do so, perfect theory of gun control over the past 20 years. HAIL TO THE KING

While we can't ignore the constant threats, I'd say very few restrictions have actually progressed or gotten worse in the past 20 years. AWB sunset, more shall issue CCW than ever, more states legalizing suppressors, etc.

[BigBlue]

Sit down, take a look, and start thinking about all of the murders that have been committed over the years with guns, without guns, with bombs, knives, you name it. What it all boils down to, is someone has mental issues. Someone was sick in their mind, and didn't get the help they needed. Why didn't they? Well, partially to blame is we haven't put enough money into healthcare, into mental illness hospitals and facilities.

Don't fall into their trap. I think that a very, very small fraction of gun-related violent crime is committed because of mental health issues. Murders are committed over money and drugs, for the most part, followed a close second by relationship problems. Enforce the laws on the book and strengthen those that are easy on criminals. Zero tolerance and enhanced, mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes. Personally, when they shake down a kid on the street and find a gun he shouldn't have, I'd like to see him put away for at least a few years.

Exactly. Punish law-breakers who actually do things that harm others.

[hammAR]

I'd be very careful about throwing people with mental illness under the bus. Removing their rights with only the flimsiest of pretenses and without due process is going to prevent those who need help from seeking it.

Do you mean kind of like the VA and military folks with PTSD..............
I believe that train-wreck is already in flight........

[ZeeC]

So I have ADD, guess I have mental issues

[Hmac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEGpgvEdBv4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Well there went any doctor patient confidentiality.

A common boogeyman, but not true. Gun-owning prohibitive mental health issues almost entirely come out of legal system, specifically involuntary commitments or other court-ordered mental health treatment...not out of your doctor's office. The addressed statement in the EO ....

Today, the Department of Health and Human Services issued a final rule expressly permitting certain HIPAA covered entities to provide to the NICS limited demographic and other necessary information about these individuals.

...addresses the concerns that some states weren't releasing those mental health issues coming out of the legal system to NICS because of fears of a HIPPA breach. The government does not have access to any given patient's medical records except under court order.

As to the VA, who knows what they do with their records, but I'm not aware of any veterans getting treatment for PTSD or other mental health issues ending up in NICS unless the treatment was court-ordered.

[Bearcatrp]

I'd be very careful about throwing people with mental illness under the bus. Removing their rights with only the flimsiest of pretenses and without due process is going to prevent those who need help from seeking it.

Do you mean kind of like the VA and military folks with PTSD..............
I believe that train-wreck is already in flight........

No. Retired out in 95. Got some disability for certain injuries while serving. For awhile, every time I would go talk to service rep for possible increase, was told the easy way to get 100% disability was to claim can't handle switching back to civilian life, desert storm dreams, or anything that would require seeing a psychologist on a monthly basis at the VA. Told them to shove it. But do know of folks who jumped on that band wagon and are now collecting 100% disability. Could do it today if I want to but not that kind of person who takes advantage of crap like this. If the government does screen SSN and VA, allot of folks will lose there guns. Heck, couple years ago the VA was having folks who went to the doctor to fill out a questionnaire. On it was asking if you are depressed and if you owned guns. Some folks on east coast who answered yes to both had there guns removed by LLEA. Sneaky bastards.

[2in2out]

Well , I wonder how that will affect forms that are already in by a trust

Edited for: looks like I'm covered for now effective in 180 days.

Where did you see 180 days? I'm looking and can't find it.

I'd rather not have to resubmit my paperwork because they changed the rules on me.

[Ghost]

Well , I wonder how that will affect forms that are already in by a trust

Edited for: looks like I'm covered for now effective in 180 days.

Where did you see 180 days? I'm looking and can't find it.

I'd rather not have to resubmit my paperwork because they changed the rules on me.

41p goes into effect 180 days from when it's signed, still hasn't been signed. Signed may not be the correct terminology but that's the gist.

[Stylin750]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULzdPuz ... ata_player

This is a long video. But it explains the executive order and everything that has changed and happened by the kings actions today

Believe it or not its up too you. But I trust the information and she uses sources to back everything up. If you watch this last video she reads everything off of government websites.
She knows her stuff. She follows the government like a hawk.

Yes she is crude and swears a lot. But personally I don't mind it. But I'm absolutely sick of all the PC crap going around.

[Nougat]

Ob couldn't think of anything better to do... http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Quick_Facts_Felon_in_Possession_of_a_Firearm.pdf like maybe ''curbing gun violence'' by at least giving the minimum sentences to prohibited persons caught with one

so now that you're ''anti american'' what can you do

link fixed. sorry