Dead and wounded in Orlando

[xd ED]

The media needs to figure out that which they wish to twist their knickers about:

guns that can kill 100 people in 9 seconds, or the response time of the police.
From what I've read, they're equally versed on both topics.

[hammAR]

From the photographs of the victims - it makes me wonder where BLM is on this.........

[tenmilmag]

In today's world, we all know what's going on out there, if you are not prepared, it's your own fault.
Where were the CC patrons???

[atomic41]

So, I'm not ready to judge the tactics of the Blue Canaries. We give them a hard time when they want to be paramilitary and then we give them a hard time when they're not.

[george]

Something that so many people tend to forget is that the police are not there to protect you according to the Supreme Court rule they are there as a deterrent to crime .
Maybe if more people understood that they would do away with some of these gun-free zones as bars are in Florida .
In my opinion from what I've seen and read to this point the only way that this could have been lessened is to not have gun free zones and possibly someone could have done something .

[Hmac]

The Orlando police believed, for some reason, despite lip-service to the doctrine in SWAT teams across the country, that "negotiation" with an ideologically-inspired active shooter who believes he is about to go to heaven as a martyr, is a good idea and valid tactic.

[yukonjasper]

I think the tactics and mindset of Law Enforcement will need to Evolve to the reality of who they are dealing with. Terrorism is fairly new to us, so maybe we need to take some lessons from Countries who have been dealing with Terrorism for a while. Hopefully, we skip the groping phase of the learning curve and find the tactics that have been tested and are known to work.

[ZeeC]

There are multiple things that annoyed me.

1. Patron blocking 1 of only 2 exits after getting out 'Because I thought the shooter was coming towards the door' who knows how many people were trying to get out.

2. 'No guns allowed in the club' but feel safe because there is an armed guard sitting on his butt at a table, talk about shooting fish in a barrel.

3. Sheeple lack of situational awareness. I don't know about you but in any confined space I always know exactly where the exits are, and a bathroom is not an exit.

People think the cops should be saving them, this is what happens when we turn off our brains and give a higher power our freedoms for the thought of "safety and security"

[Snakeman721]

Still doesn't answer my question about friendly fire. When the cops went in, the barrage of gunfire was overwhelming. I doubt all bullets hit their target. Just wondering if any friendly fire hit the hostages/victims? My guess is we'll never know OR if known, we'll never be told about it.

[Ghost]

Still doesn't answer my question about friendly fire. When the cops went in, the barrage of gunfire was overwhelming. I doubt all bullets hit their target. Just wondering if any friendly fire hit the hostages/victims? My guess is we'll never know OR if known, we'll never be told about it.

Guessing yes and eventually the information will come out. They'll have to process al the victims bodies to know for certain what happened.

[igofast]

Still doesn't answer my question about friendly fire. When the cops went in, the barrage of gunfire was overwhelming. I doubt all bullets hit their target. Just wondering if any friendly fire hit the hostages/victims? My guess is we'll never know OR if known, we'll never be told about it.

Guessing yes and eventually the information will come out. They'll have to process al the victims bodies to know for certain what happened.

Unless the police and the killer were using different calibers(unlikely), how would they know? A .22 hole is a .22 hole.

I agree they needed to end the situation, I'm not sure they went about it the right way, it's easy for me to armchair quarterback since I wasn't there - but the best plan they could come up with is put an explosive in the wall, ram the building, and shoot the sh*t out of anything moving?

[Ghost]

Still doesn't answer my question about friendly fire. When the cops went in, the barrage of gunfire was overwhelming. I doubt all bullets hit their target. Just wondering if any friendly fire hit the hostages/victims? My guess is we'll never know OR if known, we'll never be told about it.

Guessing yes and eventually the information will come out. They'll have to process al the victims bodies to know for certain what happened.

Unless the police and the killer were using different calibers(unlikely), how would they know? A .22 hole is a .22 hole.

I agree they needed to end the situation, I'm not sure they went about it the right way, it's easy for me to armchair quarterback since I wasn't there - but the best plan they could come up with is put an explosive in the wall, ram the building, and shoot the sh*t out of anything moving?

I'm assuming the police and the shooter used different bullet types and they will at least pull bullets from the bodies. I don't know how far they go with something like this but they can match the bullets to the guns if needed. I'd assume full autopsy is performed.

[yukonjasper]

I am missing the point of the exercise? Is the point to then open the police force to lawsuits? You should ask yourself why you have such a hatred and mistrust of law enforcement.

[hammAR]

I'd assume full autopsy is performed.

Not usually in cases like this - takes man-power.............
maybe a couple of randomly selected - depends a lot on claiming

[Bearcatrp]

Don't think they would autopsy all to find out some dead where from cops. They would hide that. Government only wants to point out the evil black rifle is the culprit and ban them along with all semi auto weapons. 1st thing that needs fixed is the background check system. The scum bag should have been on there. As far as I am concerned, this one is on the government!