silvor wrote:Forgive me if this has already been brought up, but is there a reason the officer was facing the driver? Everytime I've been pulled over going back to the 80's, the LEO stays behind me. And I know it's TV, but the stuff I see on TV seems to indicate the same. Pretty hard to shoot a LEO that way I would think?
About two years ago, Joe Olson was pulled over by a St. Anthony Police Department squad car for running a red light in Falcon Heights, the same Twin Cities suburb where Philando Castile was shot to death by a cop Wednesday evening. Olson put his hands on the steering wheel and waited for the officer to approach his driver’s side window when he heard a voice emanate from behind his head.
“I heard this voice with a tremor of fear in it. Actually, it scared me. Is this a scared cop?” Olson told ThinkProgress. “And he’s standing three feet behind my bumper interviewing me through the outside rear-view mirror, which is really weird, and he sounds terrified. I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee that has tinted windows, so he can’t see in the vehicle very well, he can’t see my hands at all, and he conducts the entire interview through my rear-view mirror.”
Olson said he “could’ve had somebody sitting in the back seat with a rifle” and the cop wouldn’t have been able to tell. He added that the officer’s unusual demeanor “made me afraid, and he was incompetent, and that made me more afraid.”
About six months later, Olson — a retired Minnesota law professor who played a key role in drafting Minnesota’s firearms permit law and now serves as the chairman of the Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance — scheduled an appointment with St. Anthony Police Department Chief John Ohl to share his concerns. (The city of Falcon Heights contracts with the St. Anthony PD for police services.) But Olson said Chief Ohl didn’t take him seriously.
“He blew off my report — wasn’t interested,” Olson recalled. “I said, ‘I think you have a training problem, and if you don’t fix it, you’re going to have a bigger problem....'”
jdege wrote:I want to point out that we don't know that Philando Castile had a carry permit. All we know is that Diamond Reynolds said he had a carry permit. But then, she also said he was driving, and the pictures clearly show him in the passenger seat.
There does seem to be some evidence that Castile was a member of the Crips, and at least associated with the Crips:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/the-curious-case-of-philando-castile-falcon-heights-mn-police-shooting/
That doesn't mean he didn't have a carry permit, or that he wasn't entirely blameless in the shooting.
But it does mean we shouldn't jump to conclusions.
jdege wrote:I want to point out that we don't know that Philando Castile had a carry permit. All we know is that Diamond Reynolds said he had a carry permit. But then, she also said he was driving, and the pictures clearly show him in the passenger seat.
jdege wrote:I want to point out that we don't know that Philando Castile had a carry permit. All we know is that Diamond Reynolds said he had a carry permit. But then, she also said he was driving, and the pictures clearly show him in the passenger seat.
There does seem to be some evidence that Castile was a member of the Crips, and at least associated with the Crips:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/the-curious-case-of-philando-castile-falcon-heights-mn-police-shooting/
That doesn't mean he didn't have a carry permit, or that he wasn't entirely blameless in the shooting.
But it does mean we shouldn't jump to conclusions.
jdege wrote:All I'm saying is we should wait until we see evidence that he has a permit before we assume Reynolds was telling the truth.
jdege wrote:All I'm saying is we should wait until we see evidence that he has a permit before we assume Reynolds was telling the truth.
TabulaRasa wrote:xd ED wrote:Or, we could wait until some facts are actually established before drawing conclusions
OK:
Late Thursday night, the authorities said Mr. Castile, a 32-year-old cafeteria supervisor at a St. Paul school, had been killed by multiple gunshot wounds, and the medical examiner ruled his death a homicide. State investigators identified the officer who shot him as Jeronimo Yanez, a four-year veteran of the St. Anthony Police Department.
TabulaRasa wrote:xd ED wrote:Or, we could wait until some facts are actually established before drawing conclusions
OK:
Late Thursday night, the authorities said Mr. Castile, a 32-year-old cafeteria supervisor at a St. Paul school, had been killed by multiple gunshot wounds, and the medical examiner ruled his death a homicide. State investigators identified the officer who shot him as Jeronimo Yanez, a four-year veteran of the St. Anthony Police Department.
silvor wrote:Forgive me if this has already been brought up, but is there a reason the officer was facing the driver? Everytime I've been pulled over going back to the 80's, the LEO stays behind me. And I know it's TV, but the stuff I see on TV seems to indicate the same. Pretty hard to shoot a LEO that way I would think?
jdege wrote:All I'm saying is we should wait until we see evidence that he has a permit before we assume Reynolds was telling the truth.
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